IDPA-POCO-Members [UPDATED-PROPOSAL TURNED DOWN FOR 3RD YEAR IN A ROW. SEE POST#285]

[CeeZer]

What Da..?

Down to the roots... There are two ways of thinking if it comes to life or death:

- he's about to kill me and my family - NO WAY = you die and we live!!!....
- no, I cannot do this, I'll let 'them' down even thinking of self defense and hurting someone, it's bad, what the ... am I to do? I think I need to call 91... BANG.. BANG... = he's dead...

Sport is SPORT, any self defense/boxing or so (that doesn’t get somebody badly injured or dead) is sport too.
Kids playing certain computer/video games would most likely be more violent and dangerous than a competitor who has a driver's license to drive to the range, family to take care of, career and name to carry on, plans ahead to comply with all the transport and storage laws, pays range membership or match fees, has real life interaction with others as opposed to 'online contacts', who sets up and takes down targets and props getting splinters and backache and so on...

What do you think the FIRST and foremost meaning of life is? -- SURVIVAL, SELF DEFENSE AND SELF PRESERVATION...



I'm jumping waaay ahead and waaay off topic, I know - Canada should at last break ties with Royals and UK. We are a COUNTRY and we are to be INDEPENDENT. Aren't we?

 

[RePete]

AS a member of PoCo I don't want to be affiliated with a "Game" that encourages that kind of shooting. We can NOT conceal carry. Firearms are NOT to be used against another "HUMAN".

Is not the view that gun are only meant for killing other people one we have been trying to dispel?

I have no qualm about people who want to shoot birds and the act to do so (as long as you have the proper permits) is not illegal.

As far as I know (and please correct me if I am mistaken) IPSC has moved forward and has removed the association to "human targets" out of the "game". Now strictly being a timed and scored, paper target, obstacle course.
Can the same be said about IDPA???

I hate to tell you but the classic IPSC target used today still represents a "human" shape. Just put the target under you chin and see.

As I said before, they will be coming for your game/s next.

 

[Serenity]

Clearly when it was asked to hear what the "No's" had to say was a joke. Kinda like my comment about being "Selfish" but then again hell ya I want to be selfish. I shoot for me no one else.

I believe it does put out the wrong msg. And I believe it’s the kinda of thing that that Wendy thing (And linking me to her was low but I did laugh my ass off ;-) would thrive off.
Yes they probably will be coming for my sport. But I don't want to speed up that process. That’s all I'm saying. And that is just one view there are 19 other "No's" they may have differing reasons.

And if you love your game so much and PoCo won't budge what about Thompson Mont. didn't they just do a bunch of upgrades? Have you tried asking them?

 

[RePete]

Clearly when it was asked to hear what the "No's" had to say was a joke. Kinda like my comment about being "Selfish" but then again hell ya I want to be selfish. I shoot for me no one else.

I believe it does put out the wrong msg. And I believe it’s the kinda of thing that that Wendy thing (And linking me to her was low but I did laugh my ass off ;-) would thrive off.
Yes they probably will be coming for my sport. But I don't want to speed up that process. That’s all I'm saying. And that is just one view there are 19 other "No's" they may have differing reasons.

And if you love your game so much and PoCo won't budge what about Thompson Mont. didn't they just do a bunch of upgrades? Have you tried asking them?

The bottom line is that we either stand together or we fall divided.

 

[Steve David]

Clearly when it was asked to hear what the "No's" had to say was a joke. Kinda like my comment about being "Selfish" but then again hell ya I want to be selfish. I shoot for me no one else.

I believe it does put out the wrong msg. And I believe it’s the kinda of thing that that Wendy thing (And linking me to her was low but I did laugh my ass off ;-) would thrive off.
Yes they probably will be coming for my sport. But I don't want to speed up that process. That’s all I'm saying. And that is just one view there are 19 other "No's" they may have differing reasons.

And if you love your game so much and PoCo won't budge what about Thompson Mont. didn't they just do a bunch of upgrades? Have you tried asking them?

Wow, just wow. Who needs enemies with friends like you in this sport.

 

[Serenity]

Wow that sounds like " I know you are but what am I?" Why don't you stop slamming me and start telling me reasons why IDPA should be at PoCo other than just having another shooting event. Whats so great about IDPA?

 

[Tomochan]

While I disagree with Serenity he doesn't deserve to be slammed for being honest about expressing his opinions as such slamming just further divides shooters from other shooters.

I don't participate in either of IPSC or IDPA but I am very interested in trying to form a clear understanding of why one sport is approved at PoCo while one is not. I am going to be in a position to cast a vote on the issue and wish to be as fully informed as I can be. Feel free to PM me on this issue if you wish.

 

[bclinehand]

Wow that sounds like " I know you are but what am I?" Why don't you stop slamming me and start telling me reasons why IDPA should be at PoCo other than just having another shooting event. Whats so great about IDPA?

Other than the fact that IDPA is the fastest growing shooting sport in Canada.
I would think that any discipline that will bring more shooters to your club and not interfere with other events (as outlined by the OP ) would be a great thing.
I come from a club where IPSC and IDPA co-exist and many of the members shoot both games. Although my view is geared towards IDPA (past match director for 2 BC provincials) I strongly feel that your idea being against the sport because of the shape of the cardboard targets is bordering on being just plain silly.
It would seem that using your logic that thousands of LEO are on the verge of going on shooting spree's due to the fact that they use paper targets that are Humanoid shaped.........not happening is it .

From what I understand your club is a great facility and would greatly benifit from another "game " being played there and I look forward to being able to play there.

 

[new and novice]

Wow that sounds like " I know you are but what am I?" Why don't you stop slamming me and start telling me reasons why IDPA should be at PoCo other than just having another shooting event. Whats so great about IDPA?

If you don't know what is so great about it, then why are you saying no to it? Just because they use human silouettes to me is not a reason. They are legal target to shoot at.

The reason to have IDPA at POCO is that 80% said that we should. Another reason is if there is room on the schedule then why not fill it.

You said that you have selfish reasons for not wanting it there, and I can understand that. But IPSC takes up all 6 lower ranges, PPC and LEAP take up three, I am going to guess that IDPA could do it on three ranges as well, leaving three of the lower ranges still active. Meaning that we would only really loose two ranges since range 1 is still closed to most members. Even those with RUC can't use range one anyways.

Just curious since you hate human silouettes as targets, how do you feel about tacticool shooters? There are plenty up there, and I am sure we would all like to know.

 

[Rottboy_8]

Please allow me to re-state for both sides:

.....everyone has their opinions on what they would want to shoot at any given range....and anyone deserves the right to choose what activity suits them. ...... Lets listen to all and understand all different views.
In the end, the range that provides the most variety of shooting disciplines will satisfy all desires. Our shooting fraternity is a substantial minority in the overall Canadian community so lets all support each others views. As long as we can enjoy our sport with safe firearm handling, lets continue to support each other irregardless of what our individual shooting desires are.....................

.....look at the numbers and times available. The lower ranges (#3-6), even with re-implementation of the RUC course, remains under-utilized on given weekdays and weekends. IDPA intends to avail of these times and not infringe on members time. For example: If the range closes at 4:30pm, IDPA activities could easily satisfy members of all shooting disciplines by shooting after those times to maximize unutilized range hours. Its not rocket science and the objective is to co-exist and not create dissatisfaction.

 

[OEM]

I'll tell you why you're being slammed...

Wow that sounds like " I know you are but what am I?" Why don't you stop slamming me and start telling me reasons why IDPA should be at PoCo other than just having another shooting event. Whats so great about IDPA?

You're being disingenuous, that's why you're being slammed.

I thought at first, that it was unfair the way people were slamming you. After all, you were giving your honest opinion, that stated you didn't like the sport because of the 'human' targets. Fair enough.

But then you let on that you're opposed because its just another sport that takes away from your time. You also admitted to being selfish (and egads, another guy actually agreed with you!!) and wanting more range time for yourself. And you shoot just for yourself, etc.

Finally, your true colours are revealed when you have the temerity to tell those of us who want to shoot IDPA to get out of your club and go to Thompson Mtn?

C'mon, you expect people to just take that?

How about you come up with some real concrete reasons as to why IDPA should not be at POCO.

Tomochan asked a valid question: Why is one sport approved and another not? Now THAT's a good question.

Well, Tomochan, you have one answer at least, from Serenity...it's because some people just want it all to themselves. They have forgotten that we are in this whole shooting-sport thing together and worse still, seem to have forgotten that membership to a club means having to share.

 

[HUGODOG]

Right on, OEM

 

[Steve David]

Wow that sounds like " I know you are but what am I?" Why don't you stop slamming me and start telling me reasons why IDPA should be at PoCo other than just having another shooting event. Whats so great about IDPA?

This and the fact that there seems to be quite a bit of interest from club members.

Further to that, as a long time shooter of most shooting disciplines, it boggles my mind that you would think this way at all about any shooting discipline, we are all one here.

 

[bclinehand]

Just to muddy the waters (or maybe clarify things) Pats and Serenity are a couple....................

 

[new and novice]

Serenity I am sorry for asking you about your opinion on tacticool. Please do not answer my question as it was off topic. I wish my wife shared your interest in shooting sports, and I don't want to discourage you from inviting other female shooters to the sport.

 

[new and novice]

You're being disingenuous, that's why you're being slammed.


But then you let on that you're opposed because its just another sport that takes away from your time. You also admitted to being selfish (and egads, another guy actually agreed with you!!) and wanting more range time for yourself.

That was me who said that I respected her selfish opinion, it was honest. I also said that when I was a kid playing hockey on the outdoor rinks or basketball, if others showed up wanting to play a game and I did not, I would yield the rink or court.

 

[John in B.C.]

Wow that sounds like " I know you are but what am I?" Why don't you stop slamming me and start telling me reasons why IDPA should be at PoCo other than just having another shooting event. Whats so great about IDPA?

Get used to it. If you notice two of these gents have a habit of jumping all over anyone who questions anything about IDPA. Apparently only THEIR views are relavent or worthy of airing.

And since one of them is a Mod here (maybe a small conflict of interest????) they like to lock the thread if THEY don't like the tone. Don't be put off by the nasty tone of their comments - most of us are not like them. While we may be passionate about our sport and debate the issues vigorously most of us try to maintain some decorum and respect for others views - and their right to express them.

As far as your comments re: target shapes etc: I believe? you are correct that the IPSC world body ran into this issue overseas and this may be why we are all shooting at stop signs now. (Represents a human torso????? I don't see it)

But...I can't agree with your position regarding the shape of the target. I have shot IPSC and IDPA for several years and have yet to have an uncontrolable urge to shoot anyone....##### slap them?? - maybe ....shoot them?? - no. IDPA, or IPSC is NOT any sort of Tactical training. It is a sport.

In my opinion your comments concerning concealed carry actually supports that contention: we don't have this ability in Canada-we shoot IDPA for the sport.

As far as IDPA being the fastest growing sport in Canada? I think I would want to see the numbers on that one. I know where I have been shooting it has not grown at all. Pretty much stagnant and possibly even dropped. I have brought a few guys out to try it but they aren't really into it. So be it. To each their own.

In the time I have been shooting IPSC I have seen new shooters everywhere I go. Every Qualifier I have shot has had new guys completing their BB and getting classified.

What is so great about IDPA?? Well, it is fun. You can get into IDPA much easier and cheaper than IPSC.The equipment is minimal:gun, concealment hoster, double mag pouch, 4 mags and a shirt/jacket/vest to cover it all up. No Black Badge course or the costs associated with it. Simply a new shooters orientation to explain the basics of the game and ensure the newbie can safely manipulate the firearm. Some instruction on hostering/drawing/shooting stance/rules etc. A lot of older shooters like the game because there are strict limitations on how much movement is allowed which shifts some of the focus from physical fitness and more to shooting ability. The rounds counts per stage are also much lower than IPSC, which combined with time based scoring puts a greater emphasis on accuracy over speed. And again...and the most important...it is fun

So don't let the 'tough guys' put you off. Most of us are just normal guys who like to shoot and have fun. If IDPA comes to your range - try it. You just might like it

John

 

[HUGODOG]

OK so we know the reason(s) why two "No" voters, Serenity and Pats, do not want IDPA at Poco. How about the other 18?

Let's hear your side of the story.

 

[Serenity]

Thank you John for the information. much appreciated.

BCLINEHAND Why in the world would you think that letting everyone know that Pats and I are a couple muddy the waters? I don't see the relevance at all. See waters clear… Creeper…

 

[bclinehand]

Thank you John for the information. much appreciated.

BCLINEHAND Why in the world would you think that letting everyone know that Pats and I are a couple muddy the waters? I don't see the relevance at all. See waters clear… Creeper…

Well,....you are the one that let the forums know you were a couple............just the fact that you are a couple would tend to give relevance to at least two of the NO votes in the poll .....that said there are 19 other No votes and we have not heard from them yet