Idpa q&a

Canuck44 said:
The Berretta Storm is the other long gun using pistol mags that has a capaciity limit of 10 rds.

Take Care

Bob
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Your writings confusing are they...

It would be clearer if you were to say...

The Berretta Storm is the other long gun using pistol mags which have a capaciity limit of 10 rds.



And i f you could fit more than 10rnds of 9mm in a beretta .40 mag and used it to feed your cx4 you'd still be GTG.:)
 
Canuck44 said:
The Berretta Storm is the other long gun using pistol mags that has a capaciity limit of 10 rds.

Take Care

Bob
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Which was the original point that made this so clear.

When Berretta started to issue magazines marked STORM instead of 92F the boys at the RCMP declared that they were in fact CARBINE mags not pistol mags and therefor must be limited to 5 rounds no matter the fact that physically they were identical to the 92F mags. It was the laser etching that delared what they were originaly intended for. Thus Stoger had to replace all the Storm marked mags with 92F mags to keep customers out of trouble.
That decision was then used agaiinst the RCMP to win the LAR case.
It also makes my interpretation of the law regarding mag capacity correct.
If they had not made those earlier decisions I would suggest that it would still be in the air. However they did............so it is now clear for all who care to see it.
 
I think it is fairly obvious which side is right here.

It's as simple as this:

The AR type semi-auto rifles are "limited" 5 round capacity. Well you can put an unaltered 10 round pistol mag into the 5 round "limited" AR legally. It only makes sense then that any pistol which is "limited" to 10 rounds can use an unaltered mag that holds, say 13 rounds.

Sorry Bob, I agree with most of the things you say but you are wrong on this one.
 
Could someone tell me how all this talk of capacities has any bearing on IDPA? (Which was the OP's Topic BTW).


IDPA has a maximum of 10+1 no matter what the calibre in SSP/ESP, 8+1 in CDP and 6 for SSR/ESR. (5 for BUG)

For the record, I agree with Acrashb & Stormy. However, I wouldn't want to be limited to a select few types of firearms whose magazines can sucessfully hold and feed multiple calibres. It might help you in IPSC in Canada to do so (30% more capacity), but not going to be much more help if you shoot IPSC down south where their 9mm are not handycapped unless you shoot production. (15 in production and unlimited in Open, Standard & Modified).

I only have the Jan 2009 rules to go by for IPSC, Stormy could clarify more I'm sure.
 
Jarlath said:
but not going to be much more help if you shoot IPSC down south where their 9mm are not handycapped unless you shoot production. (15 in production and unlimited in Open, Standard & Modified).
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I believe USPSA Production and Limited10 divisions are also 10 rounds only.
Also, for both IPSC and USPSA Open and Standard they are not unlimited, there is a magazine length or fit-in-a-box restrictions, it is about 28-29 rounds i Open.
Also, IPSC Production division only permit to use OFM mags for given gun or aftermarket mags for that gun. So, it is likely against the rules to use OFM .40 mag in 9mm handgun in Production, but perhaps someone would want to check that with on GlobalVillage.
 
Jarlath said:
Could someone tell me how all this talk of capacities has any bearing on IDPA? (Which was the OP's Topic BTW).


IDPA has a maximum of 10+1 no matter what the calibre in SSP/ESP, 8+1 in CDP and 6 for SSR/ESR. (5 for BUG)

For the record, I agree with Acrashb & Stormy. However, I wouldn't want to be limited to a select few types of firearms whose magazines can sucessfully hold and feed multiple calibres. It might help you in IPSC in Canada to do so (30% more capacity), but not going to be much more help if you shoot IPSC down south where their 9mm are not handycapped unless you shoot production. (15 in production and unlimited in Open, Standard & Modified).

I only have the Jan 2009 rules to go by for IPSC, Stormy could clarify more I'm sure.
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Definite Hijack! Sorry to the original poster!
 
cbabes said:
I think it is fairly obvious which side is right here.

It's as simple as this:

It only makes sense then that any pistol which is "limited" to 10 rounds can use an unaltered mag that holds, say 13 rounds.

Sorry Bob, I agree with most of the things you say but you are wrong on this one.
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If what you say is true then why not just import high cap mags and be done with it? They would be unaltered mags capable of holding 13 rds, 18 rds etc. Well we both know the answer to that. Do what you wish but I think your logic is flawed.

As to the OP for IDPA it makes no difference the mag limits are the same world wide, with only SSP and ESP allowing mags with a max. capacity of 10 rds plus one in the Chamber. CDP's limit is 8 + 1. The penalty for starting a stage with more than the legal capacity for the division limit is a 20 second FTDR. We don't see the penalty applied here in Canada due to the magazine limitation of 10 but I have seen it applied at matches in the US where high cap or rather normal magazines are legal.

Take Care

Bob
 
Ok storm lets see you put it to the test :)
I vid of you loading a 40S&W mag with 13rds of 9mm and shooting.
Ill pay the 1st $500 towards your lawyers fee.
I do think your right, as the law says so, so anything it does not say is allso law.
And it does not saywhat kind of ammo a mag can be loaded with.
bbb
 
I was also of the opinion that more than 10 rounds in a pistol was a no go. After dissecting The Act's interpretation and further discovery and seeing a copy of an RCMP letter in this regard, I realized I was wrong.

I have seen and possess a copy of this ruling on RCMP letterhead that our friend achrashb speaks of and I can concur that 14 rounds of 9mm in a .40 cal. magazine according to the RCMP, is absolutely legal. There are no ands, ifs, or butts about the clarity of this letter.

I also concur that my .40 cal. Brigadier and my XD40 magazines accept 9mm ammunition without spewing out rounds when loaded and when smacked in any way as previously mentioned by a member ... and without squeezing/bending lips.

I have not fired this combination in any 9mm pistol as I don't own one of the necessary brands.

With acrashb's permission, and only with his permission, I can post a copy of this letter if he cannot find his copy to do so.

acrashb, please advise via PM if you wish me to proceed.

... and now, if you can all kindly just get along. :)

Stormbringer, take a deep breath, you're trying too hard.
 
Canuck44 said:
If what you say is true then why not just import high cap mags and be done with it? They would be unaltered mags capable of holding 13 rds, 18 rds etc.
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WOW!

I mean just wow!

Did you actually read any of this discussion? I mean that most serously. Do you not even understand the basic concepts of what we are talking about?

First of all the 13 and 18 round mags of which you speak are not HIGH cap but are STANDARD cap..........but that is a separate issue.

Second.........a Standard Cap magazine with 13 or 18 capacity would indeed be a PROHIBITTED Device in Canada if they hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition of the type for which they were originaly designed.

I cannot see why you appear to have such a hard time understanding this concept.

Oh and I and others are still wating for you to post references where it indicates that we are wrong.




BBB>..........I will borrow a friends 92 F and give it a go
 
Canuck44 said:
If what you say is true then why not just import high cap mags and be done with it? They would be unaltered mags capable of holding 13 rds, 18 rds etc. Well we both know the answer to that. Do what you wish but I think your logic is flawed.

As to the OP for IDPA it makes no difference the mag limits are the same world wide, with only SSP and ESP allowing mags with a max. capacity of 10 rds plus one in the Chamber. CDP's limit is 8 + 1. The penalty for starting a stage with more than the legal capacity for the division limit is a 20 second FTDR. We don't see the penalty applied here in Canada due to the magazine limitation of 10 but I have seen it applied at matches in the US where high cap or rather normal magazines are legal.

Take Care

Bob
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You have to look at it like a loop hole. While 13 rounds in a mag could be considered as high cap. it's the manufactured high cap. mags that are prohib. I am not saying I would try it but a good lawyer would definitely get me off in court if I did.
 
cbabes said:
You have to look at it like a loop hole.
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It is not a loop hole!

Just because there is no law restricting an action, does not loophole make!

There is no law stating that it is illegal to load a .40 cal marked pistol mag with 10+ rounds of 9mm......full stop! I challenge anyone to find a law in the CCC or the FA stating otherwise.............:bangHead:
 
7.62mm said:
It is not a loop hole!

Just because there is no law restricting an action, does not loophole make!

There is no law stating that it is illegal to load a .40 cal marked pistol mag with 10+ rounds of 9mm......full stop! I challenge anyone to find a law in the CCC or the FA stating otherwise.............:bangHead:
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I use loophole lightly. I consider the 10 round pistol mag in an AR a loophole because someone obviously wanted a 5 round restriction on semi-auto rifles.
 
Can anyone find the law that states a pistol magazine can only hold 10 rounds max?

This is the closest I could come from the RCMP firearms website and it's only their FAQ....

As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, some large-capacity magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, the maximum magazine capacity is:

•5 cartridges for most magazines designed for a semi-automatic centre-fire long gun; or
•10 cartridges for most handgun magazines
 
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