If Lead goes Dead . what's your choice

Here’s what I don’t get. Is the expansion at low velocities simply a matter of “tuning”? Barnes makes tac-x bullets for the 300 blackout, if they work (if) why can’t the regular bullets be made to expand reliably at lower velocity?

Probably because they won't hold together properly at the higher velocities would be my guess.
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If Lead goes dead what's your choice?

As with all government interference, bright, creative people will find workarounds. Bullet casting is a thing and so is the ownership of lead, for now.
I don't think it will be too hard to ignore new corrupt laws anymore than it is to ignore current ones.
 
Here’s what I don’t get. Is the expansion at low velocities simply a matter of “tuning”? Barnes makes tac-x bullets for the 300 blackout, if they work (if) why can’t the regular bullets be made to expand reliably at lower velocity?

The 300 BLK bullets work!

The bullets tuned to expand reliably at slower velocities are the LRX bullets.


The 6.5mm 127gr LRX is going to be my one big game load from now on...although I'm playing with sizing 7.62x39mm cases down to 308 cal and loading them with Hornady's 110gr CX bullet today.
 
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I was going to try the Lapuas but there are reports on the 'net of the smaller caliber ones bending on impact (rather than expanding)
 

Very cool. There's a great video of the 110gr version being tested in 7.62x39 by "Frontline Rejects" as well.

I have some of the 120s on the table here with the 110gr CX. If I can get them going 2250 fps or so from a 16" Ruger Ranch, accurately, I'd be happy with that and not leaning on them any harder.
 
Hm. The 110gr CX loaded to top of cannelure is just a bit too long for a Ruger Mini 30 mag.

Wonder if a 7.62x39 AR mag has a bit more room....

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Suppose there is only one way to find out!
 
Very cool. There's a great video of the 110gr version being tested in 7.62x39 by "Frontline Rejects" as well.

I have some of the 120s on the table here with the 110gr CX. If I can get them going 2250 fps or so from a 16" Ruger Ranch, accurately, I'd be happy with that and not leaning on them any harder.

I might try a 110gr CX as well, but the B.C. of the TAC-TX in 120gr @.350'ish is pretty decent in comparison, with the 16" barreled HAMR' pushing them at 2600-2650fps I could hold on fur out to 300yds.
 
I might try a 110gr CX as well, but the B.C. of the TAC-TX in 120gr @.350'ish is pretty decent in comparison, with the 16" barreled HAMR' pushing them at 2600-2650fps I could hold on fur out to 300yds.

Oooh man, now you're talkin!

Typical 7.62x39mm speed would be outdoing the BLK by a good bit but that HAMR is just cookin!
 
Oooh man, now you're talkin!

Typical 7.62x39mm speed would be outdoing the BLK by a good bit but that HAMR is just cookin!

Hamr' in a nutshell is a 30x39AI , they are kissing cousins speed-wise with 120 grainers but the HAMR' gives you one more in the magazine, cheap and plentiful brass that's stupid easy to form in one pass of the sizing die and a boatload of cheap bullets to choose from that are almost always on the shelves.
 
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I kind of laugh at this save the environment crap as I think of the bigger problems we have ,like when you consider we are on the verge of another World war.Just look at China and their ambitions to be a dominant power in all Asia they not just quietly going to go away,.Plus that nut in North Korea and other nations stirrings discord and not to mention Putin.Those are the real risks to the world now and not if we should ban lead for hunting bullets and air gun pellets
 
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I m kinda of laugh at this save the environment crap as I think of the bigger problems we have ,like when you consider being on the verge of another World war.Just look at China do you that they and their ambitions to be a dominant power in all over Asia are just quietly going to go away,.Plus that nut in North Korea and nations stirrings discord and not to mention Putin.Those are the real risks to the world now not if we should ban lead for hunting bullets and air gun pellets

Yup,
Every single problem boils down to 1 thing... politics and politicians.
 
With our current corrupt Federal Liberal Government, that is most possible in the future. Although I dislike monolithic bullets, they are environmental friendly, than any type of lead bullet. Currently, I would choose the Hammer Bullet, however, most dubious that they would not perform such as the cup and core.

There is nothing environmentally unfriendly about elemental lead.



The writing is on the wall, ladies and gentlemen. We will live to see the demise of the lead projectile. Environmental concerns will prevail, right or wrong.

Elemental lead forms lead oxide, which isn't toxic. For lead to be toxic, it has to form soluble compounds with other reactive chemicals. That doesn't really happen in nature. The lead we use was mined from the earth. Putting it back into the earth as fired projectiles is simply putting it back where it came from, in the same form we removed it as.



Some states in Germany. EU just banned lead shot near water too.

I see this being the future; but hopefully the technology improves

Lead shot is an entirely different problem than lead projectiles. The two have ZERO in common.

If shooters don't understand this, how can we have an expectation that uninterested people and idiot politicians can be made to understand the facts surrounding this issue? ALL shooters need to educate themselves on the issues and facts so that we can convey such to others.



Yup,
Every single problem boils down to 1 thing... politics and politicians.

ALWAYS. :(
 
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