IN-STOCK: All-New TYPE 81 SR
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Yes, and I want to see a shoot out between the SR and the Tavor 7 and after that we can probably put accuracy questions of the SR to bed.
And here are some posts I find interesting (about the myth of the SVD):
https://www.quora.com/How-powerful-accurate-and-effective-is-a-Dragunov-rifle
Billy Piazza
Former Rifleman at U.S. Marine CorpsAuthor has 215 answers and 55.4K answer views4y
It shoots the 7.62x54R cartridge which is no slouch, some compare it to the American 30-06. As far as accuracy goes it is good enough to be a marksmans, not snipers rifle. They are made to be fired at closer ranges rapidly, to give a longer reach than an assault rifle, but not as long as sniper rifles. It is a very effective rifle for it's designed purpose. The American variant would be something like the m110 or the m14 that the military modified for current medium range use
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Carl Dodd
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Dragunov is more like a designated marksman rifle than a sniper rifle. It’s a reliable, accurate rifle in that it is meant to be sturdy and robust. When the Dragunov came out every Russian infantry squad had at least one shooter using the rifle assigned to it.
While not up to the same accuracy standards as an American sniper rifle, a decent Dragunov is still a deadly tool in the right hands. Most shoot the 7.62 X 54R sniper ammo. There are, however, some variants or copies of the rifle which shoot other calibers including a Chinese clone that shoots the .308 Winchester round.
On a power scale, most Dragunovs fall between our .308 Winchester rifles and our 30.06 rifles as far as punch generally go.
As for accuracy, I would consider them as having about a 2 inch overall accuracy rate at 100 yards while most American rifles hold in at 1 inch or less at the same distance. In other words, they are meant for taking body shots in combat and not for precision contest use. I’ve heard from people who have shot them that Dragunovs tend to lose accuracy as they heat up.
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Are you aware the Type 81 SR is chambered in 7.62x39 also type 81 and the SVD aren't too comparable when you compare the operating systems and don't forget that the SVD was handicapped by the Soviets when they required a slower twist rate "Originally, the twist rate was 320 mm (1:12.6 in), as it had been designed for use with heavier civilian ammunition. In 1975 the twist rate was increased to the standard 240 mm (1:9.4 in), which reduced the precision with the 7N1 sniper cartridge by 19% but allowed for the use of standard "light" ball steel core LPS Gzh (57-N-323S), as well as its variations (incendiary, tracer, armor-piercing) with acceptable precision."
I am not comparing it, others do.
So I am just picking up on those critics. Then they call the SR a $2K rifle while it is in fact $1.5K like the LMG. A Tavor is more than twice as much, an American made SVD even 4 times more. Of course those critics know not much about firearms and their costs to produce them, still asking for a SR in 7.62x54r and saying it is not a sniper rifle but claiming the SVD is.
Just stirring the pot a little as they say.
Apples to Oranges as you mentioned.
Rifle came out of box on dissembly to clean off new grease and I was greeted with this cracks in stock at pins after removing Rear Reciever cover. Haven't took it out would rather not with those severity cracks in stock already and yes shipping box and items were not dented or mishandled which is rare these days with canada post
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the russian doctrine was different that in every squad or whatever the name was they had a soldier that was able to hit targets beyond the point of ak47/74 akm and could do it repeatitly and accurately ... when the svd scope was released none weapons on the western world was equivalent and especially a scope with illumination all in a semi auto... the other one im thinking of was the 49/56 used by the legion and the scrome scope but even that the scope was not on level with the pso ...
the point of the rifle was to hit human target not to shoot paper and i remember my training as a sniper in the army where we never trained on paper target that did not have the half size of a human being.
what we got here is the look of a svd in an lmg factory barrel. that is not that bad considering how the tabuk was used in irak and syria. despite having the little 7.62x39.
myself i wont try any stunt with it before being insured that the stock is not to fail.
I actually like Dmitri's solution in regards to looks, not sure if it is the best solution in regards to function.
Every time I thought about a proper solution to this cracking, I thought "why did they not extend the receiver somehow to have more room".
The answer: They don't have a good designer like Dmitri who could come up with a design which is pleasing to the eye. They were too much stuck on the exact look of the SVD and missed the chance to create something similar looking with full functionality.
I hope TI and his Chinese partners will go the extra mile and think out of the box.
What they could of done was instead of the reinforcement screw in top of pistol grip. It should of been from the bottom and that could of screw up into the receiver (T nut upside down even between pivots in receiver). Grip mod can be an issue but it already has the drilled hole from the reinforcement screw. Have to follow that hole.
Look at AK grips and the retaining T Nut they use. Also the bottom of SR grip is already a cavity to hide bolt head.
Metal still needs to be on outside of those stock retaining pin holes as removal would take them out pretty quick due to that area being already weak
Last I would keep Bfiles idea with proper screw into a threaded sleeve. So three things.
Hard fix as it now
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CZ Shooter
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The NPZ scope finally came in.
This thing seems better than the POSP, as the glass is very clear and crisp...that and it takes a regular AA battery, as opposed to those small round cells.
Overall I'm very impressed.
Discussed the reciever fix with my machinist friend and we both agree, that a drilled and counter sunk insert that will wedge itself against the back of the reciever (in order to properly grab onto it) before the wood screw gets applied, sounds like the simplest and least invasive, as anyone with a hand drill will be able to do it.
He will be working on a prototype shortly.
This thing seems better than the POSP, as the glass is very clear and crisp...that and it takes a regular AA battery, as opposed to those small round cells.
Overall I'm very impressed.
Discussed the reciever fix with my machinist friend and we both agree, that a drilled and counter sunk insert that will wedge itself against the back of the reciever (in order to properly grab onto it) before the wood screw gets applied, sounds like the simplest and least invasive, as anyone with a hand drill will be able to do it.
He will be working on a prototype shortly.
incredible compared to the psop ... i did not believe myselft at first. and the aa battery is a big bonus for sure.
cant wait to see your solution as well.
You can upload the photo to somewhere (https://i.imgur.com) then copy the link to that photo and post here. I think that's one way.
Any chance while the SR may need to brought in for stock work TI could bring in some Grendel barrels from somewhere in local or elsewhere to give the Type 81 Sporting Rifle some more range? They should work with the existing mags, as Zastava is using AK mags on their new M19 MCS that quick swaps barrels between 7.62x39 mm and Grendel, https://youtu.be/_CE2wNnmIOg.
