Indoor private handgun shooting range?

[Hitzy]

So far we no one able to actually post anything that says this is illegal. Guess what it means if there is no law saying you cant do something? Its legal

Shawn

Are you a lawyer and experienced in firearms laws? If not the your posts mean as little as the people you are belittling.
You think it's OK, get off your ass and ask Ed or Tony for a REAL legal answer to back up your position.
I can legally shoot at an approved range or club, if I shoot up the clubhouse for ####s n giggles or I put a hundred rounds over the been that end up in a parking lot a mile away...nobody injured in either case, I guarantee I would get charged with careless use at minimum. No law saying I can't shoot up the clubhouse or up in the air is there?

 

[Halger280HVMag]

True. there is no law that prohibits shooting in the air, or shooting-up the clubhouse.
Although likely that the club would have such house-rules in place.

However, you could and probably would be charged, under section 86(1).

86. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.

Are you a lawyer and experienced in firearms laws? If not the your posts mean as little as the people you are belittling.
You think it's OK, get off your ass and ask Ed or Tony for a REAL legal answer to back up your position.
I can legally shoot at an approved range or club, if I shoot up the clubhouse for ####s n giggles or I put a hundred rounds over the been that end up in a parking lot a mile away...nobody injured in either case, I guarantee I would get charged with careless use at minimum. No law saying I can't shoot up the clubhouse or up in the air is there?

 

[Hitzy]

True. there is no law that prohibits shooting in the air, or shooting-up the clubhouse.
Although likely that the club would have such house-rules in place.

However, you could and probably would be charged, under section 86(1).

Just trying to make a point to our friend Shawn who states if there is no law against something, that it is therefore legal.
That's what the negligence and careless use laws are there to cover off.

 

[shawn]

Just trying to make a point to our friend Shawn who states if there is no law against something, that it is therefore legal.
That's what the negligence and careless use laws are there to cover off.

You mean making strawman arguments that are complete fantasies to try and prove your point as you cant not refute my position?

there is no law against something, that it is therefore legal.

Still true no matter how hard you try to make up BS scenarios to try and prove other wise.

Just trying to make a point to our friend Shawn who states if there is no law against something, that it is therefore legal.
That's what the negligence and careless use laws are there to cover off.

By making the point that there is a law against your strawman scenario of since there is no law against it is still illegal? Got to say you fail at logic.

Shawn

 

[Hitzy]

You mean making strawman arguments that are complete fantasies to try and prove your point as you cant not refute my position?



Still true no matter how hard you try to make up BS scenarios to try and prove other wise.



By making the point that there is a law against your strawman scenario of since there is no law against it is still illegal? Got to say you fail at logic.

Shawn

OK dude, what's that in your sigline again?

**NOT INTENDED AS LEGAL ADVICE**

Clown....

 

[shawn]

OK dude, what's that in your sigline again?

**NOT INTENDED AS LEGAL ADVICE**

Clown....

Now with the ad hominem LOL yeah you really have some vaild points LOL LOL LOL

Keep going you winning LOL LOL LOL

Still cant counter my position, its not my fault your wrong

Shawn

 

[twoicebergs]

100% pure BS, you are either ill informed or purposely spreading mis-information.

Go ahead and post up anything from any legislation that says this.

That is the issue, people are parroting BS they heard form someone some where as fact with no clue as to what the law actually says.

Shawn

Since you called me out, it's not the quantity of your posts, but the quality. So, from the Act

HANDLING OF FIREARMS

15. An individual may load a firearm or handle a loaded firearm only in a place where the firearm may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

So, I will say again, for a restricted firearm, for those not exempt from the Act, this pretty much sums up how you can load and discharge restricted firearms; at an approved range only! I don't make this ship up, I just report it!

 

[Hitzy]

Now with the ad hominem LOL yeah you really have some vaild points LOL LOL LOL

Keep going you winning LOL LOL LOL

Still cant counter my position, its not my fault your wrong

Shawn

Ask a firearms lawyer like Ed Burlew and get back to us if you are right. I gave you examples from the CCC with what you would be charged with if you started target shooting in your basement.
Prove your point with a lawyer agreeing with you, or STFU because you are just trolling at this point, can't spell or string a sentence together either, great source for legal advice.....

 

[EdGCNM]

Since you called me out, it's not the quantity of your posts, but the quality. So, from the Act



So, I will say again, for a restricted firearm, for those not exempt from the Act, this pretty much sums up how you can load and discharge restricted firearms; at an approved range only! I don't make this ship up, I just report it!

Sorry, but I think you are making it up. Show me the law that actually says a restricted firearm must only be discharged at an approved range; the law (in the form of the ATT) says that it can only be transported to an approved range. In my mind, the question is more whether they would consider discharging it at any range that is not approved as de facto careless under 86(1) and charge you for that.

Keep in mind, though, that that would have implications for every farmer and country dweller who live where it is legal to hunt and discharge non-restricteds on their property now, and do a little target shooting with the .22 rifle, for example. Is the CFO required to approve every spot where that happens as a "range"?

 

[twoicebergs]

Sorry, but I think you are making it up. Show me the law that actually says a restricted firearm must only be discharged at an approved range; the law (in the form of the ATT) says that it can only be transported to an approved range. In my mind, the question is more whether they would consider discharging it at any range that is not approved as de facto careless under 86(1) and charge you for that.

Sometimes I don't know why I bother, so I will say why don't you have a little talk with the CFC, CFO or RCMP at the division level.

Since you can not legally discharge your firearm in your dwelling residence except for very specific purpose, and you require an ATT to move your restricted firearm outside of your dwelling (not property) to an approved location, and the only places where restricted firearms can be discharged legally are places approved by the Attorney General (province), where do you think are other locations that you can discharge them? FWIW, a range technically does not exist unless it has a permit. A range that is authorized for the discharge of restricted firearms will have that indicated in its operating permit as well. So your last sentence is just one section that could be applied.

 

[Halger280HVMag]

About section 86(1) and publicly available ranges....

About fourty years ago, I was one of several directors of a local range.
Our facility included several ranges. One in particular, was designated and use as a small bore rifle, and .22/.38/.45 pistol range. The building was about 100'X75' in total. the range was in an area 100'X50' on one side.
By placing either floor-mats or shooting benches the range could accommodate many shooters.
Including cadets, boy scouts and other organized groups.

Here's the thing.
Along the length of the range, on both sides. A shelf ran at 8' from the floor.
Along that shelf were a couple dozen stuffed birds.

At some point someone noticed that the birds seemed to look a bit shabby.
Upon investigation, it was found that ALL of the taxidermy mounts were riddled with bullet holes and completely ruined. many holes were found to lead outside.

IMHO, every one of these shots offended Section 86(1) of the CCC.

No charges ever came nor were there any investigations.
No one owned up or reported anyone else.
This was before surveillance cameras, so no way to identify the guilty parties.

I believe that discharging a firearm inside a building, within a area where firearms discharge is allowed.
And considering that all precautions are taken to ensure safety and containment of projectiles.
Does NOT offend Section 86(1) of the CCC.

 

[plinker 777]

Oh Gawd, the sh1thouse lawyers are in closing arguments already!? OP, My great granddad, granddad and his younger brother used to shoot up the basement on a fairly regular basis (In Toronto!).

They would shoot into the wood pile at one end of the basement. This foolishness stopped with the very near fatal shooting of my grandfathers brother. Apparently the then young fellow was in the basement by himself, the only other person in the house was his mother (My Great Grandmother). A .32 FMJ round missed the log pile or ricocheted off something in the pile and lodged deep in his chest (turns out, fractions of an inch from his heart). Not being able to call for help, he resorted to firing the handgun in quick succession and it was that which finally alerted his mother. It made the local papers! From this episode, he recovered and subsequently enlisted as a dispatch rider during the second world war, where he was shot again (several times actually, SMG) only this time he didn't shoot himself, the Nazi's obliged....He survived this as well, and until his death many years later as an old man, the family referred to him as the lead magnet (even in his presents)

So to answer your question allow me to don the powdered wig so prevalent here. Can you do it? Sure, why not...who's stopping you? Is it a good idea? Nope. Can you get in trouble if caught? Probably.
Understand that there is a direct relation to the amount of stupid and the amount of trouble one can answer for where the courts of this land are concerned. Really, really stupid=Federal time...Kinda dumb= Dumb guy tax.
I'm suggesting it's a dumb idea...even if you don't shoot yourself.

You're welcome,

Plink

 

[maple leaf]

Yes, if it is action air pistols. But for RPAL ones, not without alot of red tape.

 

[Hitzy]

If the CFO has approved guidelines for range design, and you don't seek them out for assistance, guidelines, inspection, and approval, which side of legal does that fall on?
That's really the question, we know it can be done with approval of the relevant bodies. Some think it's OK to just do it on your own with no consequences.
We know one way is legit and seemingly the right way to go about it, and the other way is unknown.

 

[Halger280HVMag]

If a person shoots a Long Arm on a farm, and that farm is in an area where discharge is allowed.
As long as nothing is structured and everything proceeds in a safe manner, No range guidelines need be followed. an old an large stump for a backstop suffices.
As long as no one else comes to the party.
If access is desired for other folks, then, guidelines and CFO approval are a must.

If the CFO has approved guidelines for range design, and you don't seek them out for assistance, guidelines, inspection, and approval, which side of legal does that fall on?
That's really the question, we know it can be done with approval of the relevant bodies. Some think it's OK to just do it on your own with no consequences.
We know one way is legit and seemingly the right way to go about it, and the other way is unknown.

 

[Pure Energy]

What is this the hundredth thread on this topic? Why not just start a new one and anyone who is interested can all donate a couple bucks to a lawyer and solve this then sticky it and have no more of it. I would like to know and would donate. My 96 acre backyard is my shooting range. I would love to build another room attached to the basement for a private handgun range, good friend of mine would lend me his backhoe to dig and bury a few steel shipping containers that I can attach to the house.

 

[mikethebike]

Do you build yourself a range and ask approval by the cfo when going to shoot in the bush on crown land?
So why would you do so shooting NR on your own land if discharge of firearms is allowed?
You can even shoot R if you're shooting from your dwelling, your porch is considered your dwelling.
Mind boggling the absurdity of some people...

 

[Hawking]

If an attached porch is part of the dwelling place( it has been established that you can clean a restricted on an attached porch) assuming all things safe, then it is not illegal to discharge your restricted from your porch yes? . You are in legal possession, in an approved place, where a firearms may be legally discharged....

 

[mikethebike]

If an attached porch is part of the dwelling place( it has been established that you can clean a restricted on an attached porch) assuming all things safe, then it is not illegal to discharge your restricted from your porch yes? . You are in legal possession, in an approved place, where a firearms may be legally discharged....

that is correct.

 

[twoicebergs]

From the Act your dwelling is not and approved location for the discharge of a Restricted firearm.

How about read the conditions of you ATT, they may look like this:

The holder must be in possession of the Registration Certificate(s) for the firearm(s) being transported.
Firearms may only be loaded and/or carried on your person while you are actively engaged in target practice or a target shooting competition.
This authorization allows the holder to transport firearms to and from border crossings on condition that the holder is in possession of the
necessary US documentation.
RCMP

To say that you are not transporting the restricted to a suitable location and the ATT conditions do not apply in your dwelling may have some merit, but that still doesn't satisfy Section 15 for lawful discharge.