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Ganderite

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I have been making "duplex" loads. 2 bullets in the case.
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For the 357 I tried a 115 gr semi wadcutter on top of a 95gr Campro 9mm bullet. They shot ok, but at 25 yards the 2 bullets were 10" apart.

I then witched to a pair of 115gr SWC bullets, loaded back to back. The inside bullet is upside down. At 25 yards these printed about 2" apart. If anyone want to try this, this load works very well. In 357 I used 10 to 11.5 gr of 2400. Velocity was in the 1000 to 1150 fps range.

I decided to load some 38SPl with duplex loads, but I ran out of the little SWC bullets. The next lightest bullet I had was a cast lead 130 Round Nose. This is too heavy to load back to back, so I went back to loading the inside bullet with the 9mm 95 gr CamPro.
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This gives 350 ft/lb of energy (4" barrel) Nothing to sneeze at. A 2" barrel gets 750 fps, for 280 ft/lb.

I then took a sampling of various 2" snubbies and tried them at 7 yards.
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I aimed about 2" low, because I knew they shot high. The result was they shot about 4" above POA at 7 yards and the 2 bullets hit about 2.5" apart. The 2 pistols that printed very left were just demonstrating the flinch I developed shooting hot loads in little guns. 7.4gr is over max, so would not plink or practice with that load. But they all fired and extracted just fine.
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Examination of the holes in the target show that in every case the lead round nose, the first bullet out of the muzzle, printed lowest, and then the second bullet printed about 2 1/2" higher. This is because of the substantial muzzle flip with these little guns and stout loads.
 
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I do this with 2 .457" balls on top of 2F black powder. In my 45/70.
I knew a guy who would split a 38 cal 158gr wad cutter and load and shoot those. Never seen the results though.
 
I use to shoot a lot of Hornaday full wadcutters, basically just flat on both ends, they would load easy could be a bit heavy .Kind of think 158's? been 30 yrs ago.
 
No way you would get two into a case without swelling the brass. I have been there with 000 buck.

I have never tried to load a tandem load and don't have any of those anymore you may have a point, I don't get too hot with snub nose.
The fireball can be impressive in low light sometimes though.
 
Presuming the lead SWC bullet is .357" sized and the 95 gr FMJ bullet is actually a .355"? Might explain why the "two bullet" groups aren't tighter fired from the .357 Mags & .38 Specials, respectively?

Interesting experiment for conversation purposes, I just see it as a waste of perfectly good 95 gr components to make .380 ACP loads, though. ;) :p

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Presuming the lead SWC bullet is .357" sized and the 95 gr FMJ bullet is actually a .355"? Might explain why the "two bullet" groups aren't tighter fired from the .357 Mags & .38 Specials, respectively?

Interesting experiment for conversation purposes, I just see it as a waste of perfectly good 95 gr components to make .380 ACP loads, though. ;) :p

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Yes, exactly. The undersize 355 opens up the group.

I was not happy with the 10" spread at 25 yards. So I tried (in the 357Mag) a pair of 115 SwC (.358") They stay together. About 2/5" at 25 yards.
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I was using the 95 gr 355 because it was the shortest bullet I had on hand. I tried a pair of them. The velocity was way low, so I assume blow by.
 
I use to shoot a lot of Hornaday full wadcutters, basically just flat on both ends, they would load easy could be a bit heavy .Kind of think 158's? been 30 yrs ago.

The 148 Hollow Base Wadcutter is an excellent bullet. Loaded upside down, it is a cheap giant hollow point. Before and after.
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If I could easily cut one of those in half, that would make an interesting payload.
 
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Lots of duplex gallery loads to experiment with in various cases.

OOO buck/.360" diameter like your .355" RN projectile will open groups tremendously.

Engrave the projectiles or paper patch them to engrave rifling will ensure stability & accuracy until the first projectile starts tumbling.

375" diameter round balls of 16+ Bhn sized to .358" in a push thru die increases accuracy & stack well in 357/357Mag brass.

.440" diameter round balls for 44Mag & .457" diameter round balls for 45 Colt sized as above for duplex loads are fun plinkers.

Best if you cast to give one more options as I cast numerous pistol/rifle & mzl loader projectiles/boolits.
 
"Tease" all those toys that I can't own!!
I do this with 2 .457" balls on top of 2F black powder. In my 45/70.
I knew a guy who would split a 38 cal 158gr wad cutter and load and shoot those. Never seen the results though.

I load 3 x .457" round balls lubed with Alox on top of 26 gr of H335 in my .45-70's, it pretty much duplicates the old forager or "garrison" loads...
 
Huh, I wonder what they'd tell me if I tried this at the weekly bullseye shoots at my club (which is just for fun now basically). Doesn't look like you'd be hitting any of the higher scoring rings, but with twice as many holes in the paper on a 10-shot string I think there's a good chance you'd more than make up for it.

Ganderite, you think you could do an experiment and post results using an official NRA 20-yard target so we could see the scoring of single vs duplex loads? I can send you a pdf of some I drew up myself if needed.
 
Huh, I wonder what they'd tell me if I tried this at the weekly bullseye shoots at my club (which is just for fun now basically). Doesn't look like you'd be hitting any of the higher scoring rings, but with twice as many holes in the paper on a 10-shot string I think there's a good chance you'd more than make up for it.

Ganderite, you think you could do an experiment and post results using an official NRA 20-yard target so we could see the scoring of single vs duplex loads? I can send you a pdf of some I drew up myself if needed.

Yes, I can do that
 
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