international classification

Ok, yes maybe some ranges are too small. And of course you need the help. I understand that. But I still think the vast majority of Level II's could be III's without a lot of extra work. Your idea of a multi weekend match has merit too. Though I have to admit I'm not sure if that is allowed.
I've already had a few people ask me to run ICS stages at Abby. We could setup 2 or 3 of them easy, and if more people ask, it might be the way I get my club into IPSC. Even though I dislike ICS, if people want to do it, I'm game.
 
2 years ago at the nationals I competed.
In Production my ICS Classification is World-C and Canada- B and Provincially-B
A past National Champions ICS is World -B Canada -B and Provincially- GM
I am nowhere near being in the same class as him (except, it seems, in the ICS regional classification)
He won first B(which he declined) and second or third overall,I may have actually won a C class prize had we been classified to our actual abilities. Me being a C and him being at least an M (Regionally) . As HB has said the system does not work fairly.

If I compete Provincially I get a Provincial classification. I have competed in 5 National matches. Why do I not have a classification based on my performance at those matches. If we are using ICS and I am a C, why am I also a B.

As a match director , I have put classifiers in matches and had classifier matches. When ever a competitor has a bad run they almost always ask to not submit their score, most likely for the reasons that HB pointed out.


In my opinion the ICS system we are using is flawed and is not being used, therefore pointless. A true classification is based on match performance when under pressure, not in Sunday practice.


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Just my 2 cents.

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The problem lies in how they do the calculations, USPSA runs a similar (well really the original) system and you don't see this, generally where you class is where you will place in a match. I am M in the US and usually place in the M percentage bracket at major matches....unless I have a bad one which is not the systems fault, it is mine.
The ICS is a flawed system, but could be fixed if they ran the same set of rules and calculations the US uses.
 
PH Racing said:
The problem lies in how they do the calculations, USPSA runs a similar (well really the original) system and you don't see this, generally where you class is where you will place in a match. I am M in the US and usually place in the M percentage bracket at major matches....unless I have a bad one which is not the systems fault, it is mine.
The ICS is a flawed system, but could be fixed if they ran the same set of rules and calculations the US uses.
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That is true. USPSA is a snapshot, ICS is a floating score.

When you shoot a classifer you get 75% you are running with A class shooters. If someone comes along and next month and smokes it your percentage does not change unless you shoot that classifer again.

In ICS you are A but if someone comes along and smokes that classifer you could be down in D class.

Now Sign up for a match as a A or B class shooter and find out you been down graded to C or D. It a bit of a ego bump, but how will the people who are already in C or D class feel about your arrival..... I'd get used to being call a Sandbagger.... even though its not your fault.
 
if you do not like the present classifiers then submit new ones. however check on the requirements, i think they are something like no more then 10 meters wide and 20 meters long. this is to allow them to be set up in indoor ranges. also remember you have to spec it out 3D, length, width and height.
 
stormbringer said:
Well EESAers will knock off 4 ICS stages tonight..............and 4 more next month.

Its really not that difficult to do.
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Sure if you are interested in doing this... I've been asking around and out of the local clubs, yours is really an exception. The rest not really interested in shooting any ICS stages.
 
euxx said:
Sure if you are interested in doing this... I've been asking around and out of the local clubs, yours is really an exception. The rest not really interested in shooting any ICS stages.
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I am confused.......can you not just book some range time at your range and book a small level I match?

Certainly you can get a few competitors to show up.

We had a great time tonight........4 stages through in under 2 hours.

Set up two.......shoot them. Set up two.........shoot them.

Easy as pie.

4 more on tap for March.
 
stormbringer said:
I am confused.......can you not just book some range time at your range and book a small level I match?

Certainly you can get a few competitors to show up.
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Right. Except that good chunk of other 1500 clb members is going to scream why range is closed for a few shooters or ipsc director can't be present or range is already booked for half a year in advance... John, I've been really trying.

We had a great time tonight........4 stages through in under 2 hours.

Set up two.......shoot them. Set up two.........shoot them.

Easy as pie.

4 more on tap for March.
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If I knew about it a day before and you guys didn't charge $50 for non club members I would come too.
 
Wholly:eek: I didn't realize you were going to be so put off by this Eugene! I was just trying to razz you with those comments!


But it does bring up an interesting issue.

So say there is a Club that has 30 or so active shooters. Lets also say they have a Range time of 7 PM to 10 PM. They want to hold a level one match on that night. Now say the Sign up was Open to all IPSC members. Now not everyone that belongs to that club checks emails daily, or even weekly. Now say 10 Club members are able to sign up for the Match, the rest of the 20 slots are taken by Non-Members, because they watch their emails daily etc. etc. and are able to sign up before the Club Members.

What do you tell the Other 20 Club members? They would like to shoot the match, but weren't able to get a slot. Doesn't seem very fair to me. I mean, we would basically be taking dedicated Range time away from Paying members, I know if I was one of the ones not able to get a slot, I would be steaming mad!
 
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