To your ealier post...did someone actually tell you that you need a BB to use your holster at EOHC?
IPSC....IDPA...what to try?
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To your ealier post...did someone actually tell you that you need a BB to use your holster at EOHC?
The official courses and matches may be some traveling distance away but there's always the option of organizing and hosting your own local club event that mimics much of what is fun in IPSC and IDPA. Most clubs would welcome their members getting involved this way and volunteering to run such a meet.
For example I'll be shooting in a Speed Steel match this coming Saturday at the Mission R&G club. It's set up to avoid the need for drawing from holsters so it's very newbie friendly and avoids the need to actually buy a holster for those that just want to try this style of shooting while being timed. Also to avoid any 180 foul DQ's and further make it newbie friendly it's shot from one standing position with the pistol started from a low ready. There's sub classes for semi .22's, CF semi pistols, revolvers and even handgun caliber carbines. We don't run enough targets to make a reload mandatory but it wouldn't take much more to include one since the rules are what you make of them.
The steel targets cost a bunch of money to get but nothing says that you can't use IPSC or other style cardboard targets made from cardboard liberated from the various recycling bins. And then get some cardboard colored repair tape and the targets should be good for a couple of dozen shooters before they need replacement due to falling apart. So that leaves just the need for a few shot timers and you're good to go.
For example I'll be shooting in a Speed Steel match this coming Saturday at the Mission R&G club. It's set up to avoid the need for drawing from holsters so it's very newbie friendly and avoids the need to actually buy a holster for those that just want to try this style of shooting while being timed. Also to avoid any 180 foul DQ's and further make it newbie friendly it's shot from one standing position with the pistol started from a low ready. There's sub classes for semi .22's, CF semi pistols, revolvers and even handgun caliber carbines. We don't run enough targets to make a reload mandatory but it wouldn't take much more to include one since the rules are what you make of them.
The steel targets cost a bunch of money to get but nothing says that you can't use IPSC or other style cardboard targets made from cardboard liberated from the various recycling bins. And then get some cardboard colored repair tape and the targets should be good for a couple of dozen shooters before they need replacement due to falling apart. So that leaves just the need for a few shot timers and you're good to go.
Well the rules are that you must be certified to draw from a holster...that is from the original safety course we had to take there.
So I assume that would include what ever certification is available for the relevant sport (ie Cowboys Action, IDPA or IPSC)?
I haven't been a member there in a few years...
Yes I assume so but checking the list of events I do not see anything but the one bb course next weekend. I am not sure why one would not be allowed to use a holster as long as the gun is unloaded....
Shooting IPSC and IDPA are not mutually exclusive. Try both, they have different focuses and are both very active.
You may end up liking and shooting both.
The BB course is a good idea if your new to pistols. The IDPA holster certification isn't recognized in IPSC and really doesn't cover the breadth or depth of skills that the BB course does.
You may end up liking and shooting both.
The BB course is a good idea if your new to pistols. The IDPA holster certification isn't recognized in IPSC and really doesn't cover the breadth or depth of skills that the BB course does.
You can take the relavent course (depending on where you decide to go) where ever it is available. It doesn't have to be a course that the particular organisations (IPSC, IDPA, PPC etc) host at EOHC....
I wouldn't worry about the politics side of things to much......every type of Club has its "politics". I belonged to a Retriever Club for a # of years, and it was the same sorts of things, just different topics. You can get as involved or uninvolved as you like, in both IDPA and IPSC, in the end, the courses of fire should put a smile on your face, if not, this probably isn't the sport for you....they are both equally good "sports" if you let them be that!
And just one other point about the BB course. Yes, it might be overkill for shooting other action pistol sports, but there is no equal to it, that other disciplines offer. I kind of wish other action sports had as rigorous safety course! I have witnessed more gross safety violations at events other than IPSC, and I have to attribute that to the BB course! But then again, there are those that just shouldn't be allowed to own firearms, in my mind, due to a complete lack of common sense! But what do I know!
And just one other point about the BB course. Yes, it might be overkill for shooting other action pistol sports, but there is no equal to it, that other disciplines offer. I kind of wish other action sports had as rigorous safety course! I have witnessed more gross safety violations at events other than IPSC, and I have to attribute that to the BB course! But then again, there are those that just shouldn't be allowed to own firearms, in my mind, due to a complete lack of common sense! But what do I know!
i thought this was a good comparison: http://www.craigcentral.com/idpaipsc.asp
however i would shot whatever is close at hand to start with or even try both.
however i would shot whatever is close at hand to start with or even try both.
Nice! I will take a look at this site. Thanks
Bingo...
And b'sides... Out of all the matches I've RO'd "cover" infraction's were rarley ever handed out... Shooter gets a warning and that usually corrects things for him for the day and "if" there's a question the benefit of doubt is handed to the shooter.
It has little to no effect on final scores, but gives the shooter(s) something of a challenge to deal with.
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IF you are just starting out here is my advice:
Take the Black Badge and shoot IPSC.
The BB course should give you a good grounding in basic handgun techniques. A year of shooting IPSC matches will allow these techniques to become ingrained.
After a year go try IDPA. IDPA has a lot of little rules relating to mag changes and retention, use of cover etc that can be a little distracting to a noobie trying to learn competitive shooting.
As far as the rules go I see it this way - after shooting both sports:
IPSC rules tend to be very cut and dried. I find there is not a lot of amiguity as the sport is all about shooting and strategy. Planning is a big part of this sport despite what an earlier poster claimed.
IDPA does have some rules that result in some subjective calls. The cover call is one. The FTDR (Failure to Do Right) call is another. I have seen both these calls abused by an SO. Sad but true. But this is very much the exception to the norm and 99.9999% of SO's go out of their way to be fair.
One thing common to both sports is they are run by volunteers. Everyone from the SO/RO's to the Match Directors to the Area Reps are all volunteers and deserve our appreciation and respect for the time and effort they put in to making these games run.
John
Take the Black Badge and shoot IPSC.
The BB course should give you a good grounding in basic handgun techniques. A year of shooting IPSC matches will allow these techniques to become ingrained.
After a year go try IDPA. IDPA has a lot of little rules relating to mag changes and retention, use of cover etc that can be a little distracting to a noobie trying to learn competitive shooting.
As far as the rules go I see it this way - after shooting both sports:
IPSC rules tend to be very cut and dried. I find there is not a lot of amiguity as the sport is all about shooting and strategy. Planning is a big part of this sport despite what an earlier poster claimed.
IDPA does have some rules that result in some subjective calls. The cover call is one. The FTDR (Failure to Do Right) call is another. I have seen both these calls abused by an SO. Sad but true. But this is very much the exception to the norm and 99.9999% of SO's go out of their way to be fair.
One thing common to both sports is they are run by volunteers. Everyone from the SO/RO's to the Match Directors to the Area Reps are all volunteers and deserve our appreciation and respect for the time and effort they put in to making these games run.
John
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I just did my BB course. $170
Plus about 500 rounds of 9mm. $150
Belt, holster, mag holders. Just over $200
4 extra mags from Dyanamite Monkey $190 shipped to my door.
Going to try IDPA and IPSC.
I will learn something from both.
Plus about 500 rounds of 9mm. $150
Belt, holster, mag holders. Just over $200
4 extra mags from Dyanamite Monkey $190 shipped to my door.
Going to try IDPA and IPSC.
I will learn something from both.
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So I guess the question now is was it worth the money?
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Not yet! Those needles are sharp and dangerous! Only cops and the military should have such sharp dangerous items. We must start registering them too!
The freestyle nature of IPSC also makes planning in IPSC to be critical. It sorta comes down to this also if you. Respect the time of the people that put on courses don't waste a IPSC instructors time if you plan to do IDPA unless you ask them first.
Go to a match or 2 hell volunteer to help at a match and see which one you you want to do. At the end of the day we all get what we put in to these sports.
The IPSC Black Badge program is respect by IDPA, but the IDPA courses are not respected by IPSC.
Instructors are to teach those interested in learning the safety aspects of the game and the way the game is played. Not to judge who is "worthy" of being taught. When a student comes away with knowledge and abilities to safely compete in action shooting, then so much the better.
Insinuating that taking a BB course to compete in something other than IPSC is wasting an instructor's time is pretty harsh.
Respect the time of the people that put on courses don't waste a IPSC instructors time if you plan to do IDPA unless you ask them first.
Its not harsh to ask people to respect the time of others. I didn't even insinuate I specifically said if they plan to do IDPA.
