IPSC Ontario must be doing so well that it turns away new members

[TrevorF]

This.

Two potential problems with this are, BB Certification requires the successful completion of a sanctioned level 2 match, (not a "mini" match) and rules change every two years.
The NEC is working on an entirely new BB program which will almost certainly require re-certification of instructors and a new student re-certification policy. All of which will be expected to be implement the same way in every section.

 

[coreyd]

You really have a thing against the guys on the IPSC Board of Directors. The fact that they volunteer their time to do this - and all you do is tear them down about anything/everything you don't agree with doesn't work for me and probably many others here and on the IPSC forum I'm sure.

Boy... you need a history lesson.

 

[euxx]

Two potential problems with this are, BB Certification requires the successful completion of a sanctioned level 2 match, (not a "mini" match) and rules change every two years.

He was referring to re-certification part when contender gets his provisional status, which allows him to shoot a sanctioned match. The full BB status is received after completing sanctioned match.

BTW, IPSC Ontario doesn't require sanctioned match to be a L2. It could be any match, even L3 hosted outside of Canada. But then there is no strict difference between L1 and L2 matches.

Also, I don't recall rule changes related to safety in last 10 years. In any case nothing significant that would matter in context of BB course.

 

[Dexter Morgan]

Perhaps one solution;

Put contact info for all Black Badge Course Instructors on the main page of the IPSC Ontario website?

 

[Northaways]

Perhaps one solution;

Put contact info for all Black Badge Course Instructors on the main page of the IPSC Ontario website?

Bingo! Yes, this and upcoming BB courses posted on the landing page viewable to non members to make it easier for them to find a course.

 

[marcooool]

I emailed Target Sports a few months ago enquiring about BB courses. Three weeks ago received an email notificaiton about a BB course held on Feb 26-28. I immediately registered and I learned from the club the class was filled quickly. I think the OP just send a few emails to all nearby clubs and ask them to put you on the waiting list for the next upcoming course.

 

[TrevorF]

He was referring to re-certification part when contender gets his provisional status, which allows him to shoot a sanctioned match. The full BB status is received after completing sanctioned match.

BTW, IPSC Ontario doesn't require sanctioned match to be a L2. It could be any match, even L3 hosted outside of Canada. But then there is no strict difference between L1 and L2 matches.

Also, I don't recall rule changes related to safety in last 10 years. In any case nothing significant that would matter in context of BB course.

Sanctioned level 2 requirement is an IPSC Canada policy. BB is a national program, not a section program and as such is supposed to be implemented the same way across all sections. However, many sections over the years have taken liberties with the implementation of the program. In some cases they have completely disregarded the course material and started to teach their own "BB" program in a vacuum. This will be eliminated when the new BB is released. Only sections teaching the new program will have the certification recognized. Every willl be required to teach the same curriculum and apply the same standards. Instructors will also have to become certified. Imagine that, needing to prove that you're a competent instructor before being allowed to instruct on behalf of your region. How novel. These are the sorts of things that take us from grass roots to National Sport Organization recognition.

 

[euxx]

Sanctioned level 2 requirement is an IPSC Canada policy. BB is a national program, not a section program and as such is supposed to be implemented the same way across all sections.

Yet here we are https://www.ipsc-ont.org/docs/bbpolicy2014.pdf any sanctioned match. But honestly, there isn't any difference between L1 and L2 in Canada.

I'm aware of the instructor and BB program overhaul. That been going on for almost two years now.

 

[.30/06 FTW]

Sanctioned level 2 requirement is an IPSC Canada policy. BB is a national program, not a section program and as such is supposed to be implemented the same way across all sections. However, many sections over the years have taken liberties with the implementation of the program. In some cases they have completely disregarded the course material and started to teach their own "BB" program in a vacuum. This will be eliminated when the new BB is released. Only sections teaching the new program will have the certification recognized. Every willl be required to teach the same curriculum and apply the same standards. Instructors will also have to become certified. Imagine that, needing to prove that you're a competent instructor before being allowed to instruct on behalf of your region. How novel. These are the sorts of things that take us from grass roots to National Sport Organization recognition.

Trevor do you have any documentation from IPSC Canada saying that it has to be a level 2? I’m obviously not a Black Badge instructor yet but but when I try to search for any IPSC documentation in Canada what little I am able to find is severely out of date or very different province to province.

Everybody keeps talking about the revamp of the Black Badge program nationwide, but there are never any details. I would ask about when it’s going to be launched but I suspect nobody really knows.

 

[Quigley]

WOW are you bitter.

Ahahahaha...

I've been away from GunNutz for so long I forgot what my Avatar was. I saw yours...thought it was mine...and for the life of me could not remember posting this. I forgot how much your Open gun looks like mine. Damn you and your Bedell blaster. Near gave me a f*cking heart attack

 

[Junction]

I was thinking of getting my BB , I am unsure now if it's worthwhile.
I got the run around a few times, and actually got in touch with an instructor who seemed legit KD are his initials.
I am starting to doubt the program as a whole. Seems like there is many people who do not want you to exceed, or excel at the shooting sports.
Far too many "karens" who are treating it like a social club, and want to keep people under them.

Not sure if I'm interested anymore, although IPSC as a whole is appealing to me.

 

[Unregistered_]

I was thinking of getting my BB , I am unsure now if it's worthwhile.
I got the run around a few times, and actually got in touch with an instructor who seemed legit KD are his initials.
I am starting to doubt the program as a whole. Seems like there is many people who do not want you to exceed, or excel at the shooting sports.
Far too many "karens" who are treating it like a social club, and want to keep people under them.

Not sure if I'm interested anymore, although IPSC as a whole is appealing to me.

I don't understand this at all.

The sport is what you make of it. If you don't like a particular crowd for whatever reason, you can associate with a different one. As the largest section in Canada for IPSC, ON has more than enough shooters that you can choose to get to know if you wish.

Take a look at your own forum signature and reflect.

 

[.30/06 FTW]

I was thinking of getting my BB , I am unsure now if it's worthwhile.
I got the run around a few times, and actually got in touch with an instructor who seemed legit KD are his initials.
I am starting to doubt the program as a whole. Seems like there is many people who do not want you to exceed, or excel at the shooting sports.
Far too many "karens" who are treating it like a social club, and want to keep people under them.

Not sure if I'm interested anymore, although IPSC as a whole is appealing to me.

IPSC and USPSA are my absolute most favourite sports. It is ridiculous how much fun it is. I put up with all the BS that goes along with it (far less if you're just a regular competitor and have nothing to do with running things) because I enjoy shooting it so much.

 

[ekp]

I was thinking of getting my BB , I am unsure now if it's worthwhile.
I got the run around a few times, and actually got in touch with an instructor who seemed legit KD are his initials.
I am starting to doubt the program as a whole. Seems like there is many people who do not want you to exceed, or excel at the shooting sports.
Far too many "karens" who are treating it like a social club, and want to keep people under them.

Not sure if I'm interested anymore, although IPSC as a whole is appealing to me.

Like any relatively large group of people it quickly become politically focused at certan level. People are trying to implement unsutisfied ambitiences.
I'm just focusing on sport and choose with whom I'm doing that.

 

[Ribstaylor]

I'm just treating it like everything else that has to do with guns. Seeing as it takes months to even get a license and in Ontario at least a month for even a restricted to be approved for transfer. And months to even find a range that is taking people. And months to even get onto one of their safety courses. I assume it will take just as long if not a half a year to even get anywhere in regards to doing a BB course. Which I do plan on doing at the range I just joined. Gun stuff takes time, as it's a small mostly volunteer community. I criticized their ONT site months ago and the head guys saw it. And in the time since then it's been updated to not look like it was made for the era of windows 2000, so things clearly are being improved or worked on in the background but being volunteer it takes time.

 

[Northaways]

I was thinking of getting my BB , I am unsure now if it's worthwhile.
I got the run around a few times, and actually got in touch with an instructor who seemed legit KD are his initials.
I am starting to doubt the program as a whole. Seems like there is many people who do not want you to exceed, or excel at the shooting sports.
Far too many "karens" who are treating it like a social club, and want to keep people under them.

Not sure if I'm interested anymore, although IPSC as a whole is appealing to me.

There’s a lot wrong with this post.

Haven’t read all 7 pages of this thread but from what I have read no IPSC members are critiquing IPSC. They’re critiquing the ability for prospective new members to find a BB course on our Ontario website.

IPSC (HG, Rifle and SG) matches in my area are plentiful, very well organized by some great people and a ton of fun!! Next to 3 Gun no other competitive gun sports come close to doing it for me.

KD is an excellent instructor who holds a number of courses every year, and if you’ve been in contact with him, not sure what your issue still is, but if you believe what you say in your post, do us all a favour and please stay away.

 

[Dexter Morgan]

I was thinking of getting my BB , I am unsure now if it's worthwhile.

It is most definitely worthwhile.

Outlaw action shooting has it's place. And I do plenty of it.

But IPSC has it's place too.
The main thing it offers is a centralized match schedule, with a TON of matches going on.
Handgun, PCC, shotgun, and rifle.

If you don't get your Black Badge and become an IPSC member; You're really ripping yourself off.

 

[simar]

Boy... you need a history lesson.

I started adding to the history lessons on the IPSC Ontario forum, maybe folks will start asking a few more questions about why things are the way they are and what can be done to make them better.

 

[TJspeller]

I was thinking of getting my BB , I am unsure now if it's worthwhile.
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Not sure if I'm interested anymore, although IPSC as a whole is appealing to me.

It's worthwhile. Yes, it's a bit of a hassle to get started, but it's doable and once you've got the BB, a world of fun opens up, and I find IPSC Ontario to be a pretty capable organization considering the realities of volunteer organizations with limited budgets.

 

[Midnight Rider]

IPSC is not for everyone , and our club has had a very hard time recruiting , and retaining , IPSC candidates for the sport . Most club members now just opt to run the IPSC course of fire unofficially as the club owns all the equipment that the IPSC guys were using ; thereby bypassing all the IPSC regulations and hoops , yet enjoying the same competition and practise . Sometimes the hassle of IPSC is not worth the effort , when any club can put on the same type of event without any input or regulation from IPSC . A lot of folks just want to shoot in some fun competition against fellow club members without going through the hassle of BB certification and regulation .