Not sure I'd want to be on that range with people running around with guns who didn't qualify for a BB and aren't subject to the DQ policy. Or maybe to keep it safe the RO has to run things with an iron fist and you don't have the trust relationship we have at an IPSC match and that'd chafe. Opening the doors that way may be part of what caused your remaining IPSC folk to evaporate.
IPSC Ontario must be doing so well that it turns away new members
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Not sure I'd want to be on that range with people running around with guns who didn't qualify for a BB and aren't subject to the DQ policy. Or maybe to keep it safe the RO has to run things with an iron fist and you don't have the trust relationship we have at an IPSC match and that'd chafe. Opening the doors that way may be part of what caused your remaining IPSC folk to evaporate.
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Outlaw action shooting is exactly as safe as sanctioned IPSC matches.
Outlaw clubs all have their own in-house holster courses that mimic the teachings of the IPSC Black Badge course.
The only difference is that it isn't recognized by IPSC.
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IDPA shooters run around the range with no BB and they mostly survive. And they get to wear flappy fishing vests while doing it!
And BB isn’t a requirement for 3Gun either ( at least not the ones I’ve shot) and that is arguably more complicated a sport.
BB is a good course and a way of certifying new shooters to IPSC but safe gun handling skills isn’t conferred only to shooters who have BB.
And BB isn’t a requirement for 3Gun either ( at least not the ones I’ve shot) and that is arguably more complicated a sport.
BB is a good course and a way of certifying new shooters to IPSC but safe gun handling skills isn’t conferred only to shooters who have BB.
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Yes and no. I wouldn’t say that all clubs shooting outlaw are just as safe as ones shooting IPSC, there are varying degrees of training, competency levels, and safety precautions. But I also wouldn’t say that just because you have a Black Badge that you are safe and someone who doesn’t have one is not. It’s all about the group and individuals that’s doing it. Some outlaw clubs may be strict with safety rules, and some IPSC ones might try to sweep safety infractions under the rug (especially if they’re somewhat isolated). It’s a mixed bag across the board, but generally is safe, and generally IPSC is a bit better.
I see little difference in gun handling and range safety protocols between non-IPSC and sanctioned IPSC events. A BB is a requirement to shoot IPSC in Canada, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn’t confer magical safety powers on those who have obtained it.
IPSC is awesome...3 Gun/Multigun is a bit awesomer...IDPA, Service Rifle and CQB are also awesome. IMHO it’s well worth it to get your BB as it opens up a world of new action shooting opportunities but lots of people I know still do ok and shoot tons of matches all over North America without a BB.
IPSC is awesome...3 Gun/Multigun is a bit awesomer...IDPA, Service Rifle and CQB are also awesome. IMHO it’s well worth it to get your BB as it opens up a world of new action shooting opportunities but lots of people I know still do ok and shoot tons of matches all over North America without a BB.
Is that when they've added a blurry-nothing-to-see pictures to the front page (nothing that really shows what the sport is about) and dropped any sane structure from the web site, simultaneously removing public access to the match calendar and list of BB courses? That seem like a huge improvement.
Exactly! ^^
But even if someone else has a decent safe rulebook, that's not the book I was trained on, so throw a mixed group on a range and you'll break a rule that I would have instinctively respected, I'll break one of your rules and get yelled at, and that out-of-sync leads to safety issues. Best when everyone on the range is on the same page, so as an IPSC-trained oldtimer (old dog new tricks as they say) I'm going to steer away from the latest trendy new discipline that all the cool kids are doing.
How’s it going Quigley. That’s pretty funny. Every 15 or so years this black badge thing pops up. If I ever sounded like certain person in this thread I apologize from the bottom of my hart and will flog myself later for it.Ahahahaha...
I've been away from GunNutz for so long I forgot what my Avatar was. I saw yours...thought it was mine...and for the life of me could not remember posting this. I forgot how much your Open gun looks like mine. Damn you and your Bedell blaster. Near gave me a f*cking heart attack
I find it frustrating to I have looked up the crappy web site to join. Follow the sub in the form here. Asked at my club for advice and info or BB. It's been something I've been wanting to do for a while. It's deterring to say the least. They could do a lot better with website information the beaurcoacy feel of it all. I just want to shoot with some ppl at my local range get better and do more advance things. So many run arounds just to shoot local IPSC matches...
I'll find the location where the level 2 requirement is listed. You're right about the revamp. The NEC has struck a committee, a chair has been appointed and they're working on it. Im not aware of any time lines though.
Right on the website after clicking "Join Us"
After reading through 2 paragraphs of material about what to expect it says "Contact the black badge coordinator".
I think you're doing it wrong.
The other difference is Outlaw anything isn't recognized by CFOs and could result in club's being shut down in the event of an accident.
Can you cite an instance where this has happened? Or a club even threatened by a CFO for something like this?
In what world?!?!?
As a competitor who shoots in the US from ohio to SC and in between, shooting uspsa, outlaw, 3gn and ipsc.
Not once would I EVER say that outlaw is exactly as safe as an insured competition body.
EVER.
This goes for Canadian competition to.
I thoroughly prefer to shoot uspsa/ipsc in canada and US despite 3gn/outlaw being so much fun.
I have a dozen stories of insanity that is deemed normal down south.
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