is an antique worth the price for unrestricted carry?

maxman1 said:
Last I checked, .45 Colt was excepted from antique status.
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That's interesting, maybe that's why an antique status SAA I seen listed recently was chambered in .44 Special?

It had a new barrel and cylinder on the original 1880s frame.
 
870P said:
That's interesting, maybe that's why an antique status SAA I seen listed recently was chambered in .44 Special?

It had a new barrel and cylinder on the original 1880s frame.
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Remember when the Swiss arms and 858s went prohib magically overnight? At the same time the frt for antique colts was quietly changed... for some time before that guys were turning a good profit buying old beaters down south and "restoring" them in caliber not on "the list". As a result of the flood of requests for antique "letters" the queens cowboys changed their opinion of these guns. These "antique" colts are still popping up.
The rcmp's opinion currently is that the gun must have come off the factory line in an antique eligible cartridge.
 
Well just for fun and my own edification I went to the Criminal Code of Canada and here is what I found.

[h=6]Certain weapons deemed not to be firearms[/h][FONT=&quot](3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:[/FONT]

  • (a) any antique firearm;

    Seems pretty clear. With that in mind I went to look up Section 117 of the Firearms Act and found this section does apply to Antique Firearms in as much as the Act applies to Storage and transportation which is exactly what the letter from the RCMP advised.

    Once I get my Antique back from my Gunsmith I will take the time to take my letter not the revolver to the local RCMP to ensure we both understand the same thing as to where I can shoot the revolver. The local CO's and Fishery folks will also be contacted. We shall see what the reaction is from all three.

    Incidentally I have no intention of hunting with this revolver, though my Grand dad did say, as a young teen 1903 - 1917, he and his friends would go camping outside of Nelson and Slocan and shoot robins with it to eat. Robins were deemed a pest back in the day as they ate fruit off the cherry trees. Not sure I would be eating one but that was then and this is now.

    My take is if a designated pistol or revolver is deemed to be an Antique is not a firearm under the Criminal Code, then the Firearms Act should not be in play except as noted for transportation and storage. I have a friend who is a retired judge. I may check with him and get his take on the subject. His comments will be held private so don't wait for them here.

    Take Care

    Bob
 
Rman said:
Considering that it's law, and written as such, it isn't for me, or anyone else to have a version. It can be interpreted, sure, but the sections written about where and when an antique can be carried and discharged are very clear.

If you have read about an encounter "in the bush" with either RCMP or a CO regarding an antique, it would also be great to share it, as many have yet to have found such a write up.

R.
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It's human nature to pick and choose what we want to read or hear and disregard the rest. This is why there are so many Churches.
 
Canuck44 said:
This is directly from the Criminal Code:

Certain weapons deemed not to be firearms

(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:


  • (a) any antique firearm;
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-19.html#docCont


I am not sure why you persist.

Take Care

Bob
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It is not a firearm for those sections. ALL other sections apply.... you sir are going to find yourself in hot water if YOU persist. I highly suggest you have a lawyer explain this to you.
 
fenceline said:
No... if a gun meets the parameters of being an antique, then it is an antique.

If it does not meet the parameters of being an antique, and it is a handgun, then it is prohibited or restricted.

An Antique is still a firearm under Section 2 of the Criminal Code. Read section 84(3) of the Criminal Code.

84(1) Criminal Code
antique firearm means
(a) any firearm manufactured before 1898 that was not designed to discharge rim-fire or centre-fire ammunition and that has not been redesigned to discharge such ammunition, or
(b) any firearm that is prescribed to be an antique firearm; (arme à feu historique)

84(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:
(a) any antique firearm;

Section 84(3) states that Sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 do not apply to antiques. Go read those sections. Any other section in the Criminal Code dealing with firearms, applies to Antiques.

Like pointing a firearm. Or using a firearm in the commission of an offence. Or possession of a weapon dangerous to the public peace. Or possession of a concealed weapon. Or possession of a firearm contrary to a firearms prohibition. Etc etc.
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Here. Maybe fenceline's post from earlier in this thread will help..
 
When I was doing my hunting license course for Quebec (yes, gun unfriendly Quebec of all places) a CO came in to answer questions. One of the questions I asked was about antiques. (I asked a lot of the hard questions that come up here) I went over the no registration and no ATT requirements for him just in case.

He emphasized that we cannot _hunt_ with an antique pistol, but otherwise he has no issues with someone having an antique pistol on them in the bush as long as all applicable laws are followed. (Yes, I did try to make a case for hunting partridge with a long barrel Webley with .45 shotshells I load - no go)

So my take on it - I will open carry my antiques in the bush. If a Webley is under powered then a c96 certainly is not. I do have legal insurance just in case someone gets overzealous.
 
KotKotofeich said:
When I was doing my hunting license course for Quebec (yes, gun unfriendly Quebec of all places) a CO came in to answer questions. One of the questions I asked was about antiques. (I asked a lot of the hard questions that come up here) I went over the no registration and no ATT requirements for him just in case.

He emphasized that we cannot _hunt_ with an antique pistol, but otherwise he has no issues with someone having an antique pistol on them in the bush as long as all applicable laws are followed. (Yes, I did try to make a case for hunting partridge with a long barrel Webley with .45 shotshells I load - no go)

So my take on it - I will open carry my antiques in the bush. If a Webley is under powered then a c96 certainly is not. I do have legal insurance just in case someone gets overzealous.
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Check your hunting Regs. Some provinces say rifles/shotguns only, some say no handguns. Some have more to say about calibre than they do firearm type. I have yet to see one that specifically addresses antiques.
 
Cameron SS said:
Check your hunting Regs. Some provinces say rifles/shotguns only, some say no handguns. Some have more to say about calibre than they do firearm type. I have yet to see one that specifically addresses antiques.
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I did - Quebec limits _overall length_ of a firearms for _hunting_. So it's not that antiques are specifically banned from being used for hunting.
 
I phoned the Canadian Firearms Centre. 1. An Antique Firearm is a firearm under the Criminal Code if it is used in a crime, otherwise it is not a firearm. 2. Because it is not a firearm the The Firearms Act does not apply to Antique Firearms. Note: the RCMP letter quotes safety as the reason for the reference to storage and transportation. 3. You can discharge an Antique Firearm anywhere it is legal to discharge a firearm, no permit is required.

If you want to confirm this phone the Canadian Firearms Centre for English Press 1, Press 2 to check on a transfer (I found that was the quikest way to get to a person).

I explained I would approach the RCMP, CO and Fed Fishery offices to ensure we were all on the same page and she thought that was a good idea. She also indicated to me I should always check to make sure it was legal to shoot on the land I intended to use.

Take Care

Bob
 
Deuce-deuce said:
If it is used in a crime... this is the part you seem to lack understanding of.
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The concern of mine was whether or not I could shoot my revolver anywhere it was legal to discharge a firearm. The answer is yes. Can I carry it on my person in a holster (Open Carry) to be sure. The answer is yes. As long as I am not committing a crime with the gun it remains a non-firearm. No ATT, no license to requirements preventing me to sell it to anyone I choose to.

I don't hunt and Provincial Regs do not allow handgun hunting in any event.

To answer the OP's question. If you want to own a handgun that you are not restricted to range use only, do not want to be a member of a gun club but do want to own and shoot a handgun then buying an Antique Firearm is the way to accomplish your goals. Pay the man because Antiques do seem to attract a premium in price.

Take Care

Bob
 
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