Is buying these Pistols at these prices sane ?

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Abbas location given under his name is Pakistan. Seems to me that civilians are not allowed military and police calibres there.
 
Abbas, what is the exchange rate of the rupee at the present time? I understand it to be about 70 rupees for our 1 Canadian dollar. Also where can you go to shoot for recreation?
P.S. My personal apology for the remarks from fellow members.
 
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So to re ask my question, do any of you guys think one P30 is worth 11 Norinco's ? Is the performance difference between the Glock 19 and P30 worth $ 2500 ??
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As far as the Norinco the finish is not really that great but the HK is definatly not worth 11 Norinco pistols .As far as the performance between the P30 and the Glock 19 ,I would no problem taking the Glock 19 it is a extremely well built pistol that is very reliable a strong with quaility of a HK .While the prices in Pakistan are ridiculous high everyone here must remember that there is other factors that drive the prices of firearms in his Country
 
Thad said:
Abbas, what is the exchange rate of the rupee at the present time? I understand it to be about 70 rupees for our 1 Canadian dollar. Also where can you go to shoot for recreation?
P.S. My personal apology for the remarks from fellow members.
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No apology necessary my friend, kind of you none the less. You are right about the exchange rate, it is Rs. 70 / Canadian Dollar and Rs. 80 per USD.

We have firing ranges in all cities, most are indoor as well as outdoor and allow all Calibers in pistols, only rifles are limited to .22 as most ranges are centrally located in cities. Membership is generally not very expensive and Trainers and targets are free of cost for unlimited sessions. For course we can always go rural areas and farms and do the same.

I won't post any pictures here as I'm not very familiar with the rules but if you're interested I'll PM you a link and you can view a few of our pictures from a recent basic range session.

@NAA Malik is a fairly common last name in the sub continent :p

@sunray Civilians are allowed all calibers in pistols, shotguns are limited to .12 ga and rifles for the time being are limited to .22 and 7mm.

@Savage Thanks, I think the same thing. I already have a pair of 19's and as much as I like the P30 I couldn't justify spend $5000 on it.
 
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The problem here is that almost all Western countries have a small arms export ban to Pakistan. So most European/American guns come though unofficial channels hence the crazy prices.
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And there is a very good reason for that ban, which makes me extremely hesitant to even engage in a conversation with anyone from Pakistan about weapons availability and use in Canada. Particularly when you in another of your threads state you will be coming to Canada in search of a 'buffet' of small arms you can try.

Nothing personal Bud, but I've been to too many funerals of our guys who were killed by guys being given safe haven in Pakistan to stomach this and your other threads on this Forum.

That is my humble and personal opinion.

Sheldrake Out.
 
Abbas, I don't mean to be rude or insult, but I saw on a show about a arms market in the tribal areas. Can't your get anything you want for cheap there?

Unless you are rich, I can't see any way of justifying those prices for a gun. It would be cheaper to buy a machine shop! :eek:
 
I currently own and shoot a Norinco, and at those prices for guns I guess I wouldn't change much :D. Having owned a fairly large number of pistols over the years, I would probably choose a Glock over an H&K regardless of cost (particularly in a warm climate) so I don't believe there is $2500 worth of difference between the two. Welcome to CGN, it's always good to meet shooters from other countries.
 
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Abbas, I don't mean to be rude or insult, but I saw on a show about a arms market in the tribal areas. Can't your get anything you want for cheap there?
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If you want a crudely made POS that makes Norinco feel like a Les Baer, you could always try one of those "tribal" creations made with stone-age tools by blind children in caves...However, it sounds like he wants to buy a quality, industrially-produced pistol. At those prices, I would personally go with a Taurus Beretta 92 clone. I'm not a huge of the 92, but it's a proven design, and unlike some other Taurus guns, PT92 is supposed to be a decent quality piece, from what I've heard.

Then again, if you can afford to spend $5000 on a Sig or HK, why not get one? It's only money, right?
 
@Shelldrake I'm not going to dignify your comments with an answer because I visit Canada often and know better.

@drvrage Almost all things available in tribal areas are either locally made and or smuggled which makes them illegal. Also normal citizens can't really visit easily and bring back anything from there which is firearms related.

@ian_in_vic Thank you !

@capp325 You will be surprised at the quality of weapons these guys are making nowadays. A friend gave me a Beretta 92 FS as a gift and I used it for a couple of weeks, he called me a month or two later to inquire if I was happy with my Berretta and I told him I was. Then he told me it was a clone made in Pakistan. I was astonished, I took out my Taurus 99 and Beretta 92 and placed all three together. I could not tell the difference between the original one and the locally made version. I put up some pictures of it at my forum to help other avoid being sold a fake. I'll post some pictures here for you guys. The Beretta is the local one I was talking about and the other is the Taurus 99.

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@Shelldrake I'm not going to dignify your comments with an answer because I visit Canada often and know better. [/IMG]
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Abbas,

I don't know you from Scott, and neither does anyone else on this forum. The fact is that Pakistan, paticularly in the Tribal areas, remains a safe haven for al-qaeda and the Taliban, who Canada is currently conducting armed operations against.

I know what I know, some of which cannot be made public. Your interest in the aquisition and use of firearms in Canada alone make you a likely suspect until proven otherwise. Your networking over the internet is a known Al-Queda activity, and you remain an anonymous node in the ether, without peer recognition or validation of credibility. We still have 14 individuals with legal proceedings against them for alleged terrorist activities carried out in Ontario, and much of their planning and networking was conducted over the internet, so this isn't some booze fed redneck chest thumping.

Call me a redneck if you want, but I won't be chummy with you, let you know where I live, or where I travel too, where I work or where my family works, what firearms I have, where I shoot and who I shoot with. And I would suggest others on this forum to do likewise.

If I was a moderator of this forum I would have you banned right now until I was assured that you pose not threat to the security of Canadians and that your credibility is valid. I would be a tough sell though. Who here can speak for you?

Yes, not very friendly is it. I have some sand in my shoes and I have walked many a mile for my country and I couldn't care less if that offends you.

Shelldrake

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They have been making some decent guns lately in Turkey an Saudi Arabia. Maybe you can look into those. I would imagine there is no ban from these countries.
 
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