is synthetic engine oil ok for gun lub??

One of the issues as mentioned is when it "runs dry". The new stuff such as G96 is also a metal conditioner. When it's dry. It's not actually dry since the oil is in the pores of the metal. As a result it's still protected if it's seasoned in the stuff. Shoot then just wipe the carbon off.

As for motor oils. I considered using the 0W-40 Shell Roteilla full synthetic that my F350 7.3 liter powerstroke uses. Improved fuel economy immediately and cold starts (-50 no problem with engine block heater and oil pan heater). But it's not worth it. The good stuff doesn't cost much more for how much you use. So I never went through with it.
 
One of the issues as mentioned is when it "runs dry". The new stuff such as G96 is also a metal conditioner. When it's dry. It's not actually dry since the oil is in the pores of the metal. As a result it's still protected if it's seasoned in the stuff. Shoot then just wipe the carbon off.

As for motor oils. I considered using the 0W-40 Shell Roteilla full synthetic that my F350 7.3 liter powerstroke uses. Improved fuel economy immediately and cold starts (-50 no problem with engine block heater and oil pan heater). But it's not worth it. The good stuff doesn't cost much more for how much you use. So I never went through with it.

We use Mobil 1 5-40 in all our equipment. There is no question the superiority of synthetic oils. On the OM444LA, we noticed with conventional oil that there was a buildup of sludge in the intercooler pipes. Basically a thin sticky layer on all surfaces of the inside of the pipe. When we changed over to Mobil 1, I later had the intercooler pipes off again, they were clean inside and there was no sludge, but only small pools of oil in the low spots.

I would use mobil 1 on my firearms if it wasn't for trusting grease on mine so much. Using a premium quality moly grease on a NP22, all areas including the barrel, we ran a non-stop string of 200+ rounds though it. The barrel and grease were smoking and had dried up a bit, but was still adiquately lubricating the barrel. That night, it wiped away clean with a paper towel, there was no scrubbing or hard work. Wipe dirty grease away, replace with fresh clean grease. I've currently got 1000 rounds on the grease job on my P226, I think in another 500 I will clean and regrease. I've only got 250 rounds so far on my 1911.

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All parts scrubbed clean in a varsol cleaning tank, rinsed clean with water then blown dry with compressed air. The parts have a grey tinge to them and look very dry.
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All parts greased and assembled. All areas of the pistol have been covered in grease. This picture is prior to wiping down with a rag and hand cycling of the action to clear out the excess grease.
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After numerous wipe downs, using a oil dampened spot on a rag, I try to leave a thin exterior coating of grease, the little bit of oil helps to strip the last little bit from the surface but not the pores of the finish. After final cleaning the finish holds a nicer dark color longer than oil alone does.

I don't have any pictures of it, but I do find that debris does collect on the grease but that doesn't bother me for the following reason. If the debris is small enough to fit between any sliding part, it will be completely encapsulated in grease and will not contact the surface. It will not stay in one location, but will eventually be expelled due to it moving slower in the grease. If it is too large to fit between any sliding part, it will get stuck to the grease and be pushed out of the way of the sliding part. When the surface of the grease becomes saturated with debris, it no longer sticks so the dirty grease acts as a protective seal.

Eventually the grease will break down as well as work its way out of the contact areas, but like anything that needs to be greased, it will always need more grease applied over time.

When you apply grease, it stays where you applied it, not running down the stock of your rifle to the bottom your safe. Grease has a much longer usable lifespan than oil and as such gives you a much better indicator of when its time to regrease. Grease is generally easier to clean and re-lubricate than oil, oil is more likely to need a greater amount of elbow grease.

One disadvantage, is that any time you are dealing with greasing and getting the firearm clean before it is range ready, you're going to get covered in grease. Once properly cleaned away, you don't get covered in it... as much.

I would take oil over any cheap grease any day though. Only premium quality grease is worth using.
 
Wow very detailed post Navy Cuda.

I would still recommend giving G96 a try. I've shot the heck out of the S&W 5946 back when ammo was free. Wipe of the carbon with a patch no scrubbing and the reapply G96. Worked great in -50 as well.

On a side note whoever had my pistol issued to them before used friggen brake cleaner on it. Which we were forbidden to use since it takes all the oil out of the metal. Even with oil the slide seemed brittle and would scratch. A few soakings in G96 and it was fixed.

It comes in a spray can. Cleaning time has been cut in half. I've had ex military guys also recommend this stuff.

Grease no doubt works well as you described but it looks pretty messy. Good info on the oil. Thanks.
 
http://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2008/ps-sp/PS63-2-1997-1E.pdf

This test is a little out of date, but goes beyond the "I use X and fired 20 rounds so it is awesome" test.

I know of several failures caused by using auto lubes in combat, including AR buffer bumpers breaking down and causing stoppages.

Cars are not guns and guns are not cars.

Graphite does not work.

I watched one test where breakfree failed right away. The test went to 70 below C and used a whole range of weapons. Only Burke's gun oil functioned everything at that temperature.

I also watched it go 6 k rounds on each of ten rifles half auto and half semi at room temp.

Has a NSN because the navy uses it it on deck guns to protect from salt spray due to awesome corrosion resistance.

Every time I see the stuff I am more impressed. It's made in Canada too.

I use TW 25 B sometimes as well in high temp only. I fired about 10 K a month of 7.62 in M134 and used TW-25B. It works great as long as you keep feeding grease to help it migrate dirt out.

It turns into clay at very low temp.
 
Auto Lubes - are not just the cause of the buffer issues -- any lubes with peroluem base on the buffer will breakdown the bumper, they also dry out, so frankly I would not call that a real issue.

Chrome the upper's inside, and the bolt and carrier - and you can run a gun for at least 5k suppressed (11.5" gun) with no lube...
 
Chrome the upper's inside, and the bolt and carrier - and you can run a gun for at least 5k suppressed (11.5" gun) with no lube...

And that would be so 'pimp' and slick it would be like f00king a ####star.

Here I thought Kevin was always going to be a 'guns, like women, run better wet' kind of guy.
 
just wanted to mention that I just got a bottle of 0w40 Mobil1 :). It should be okay for our crazy winters/summers right? Being -42c yesterday, I assume that 0w would have being better.
 
I have been using Mil-Comm products for a year now. I use TW25B Synthetic Grease on slide rails and other similar high wear areas and the MC2500 light synthetic oil on the everything else. I am extremely impressed with Mil-Comms products. They are far better then any other product I have tried and non-toxic. Plus, they are designed for and used by the US Army, Navy, and Air Force in many advanced weapons systems including the F15, 16, 18, and F22Raptor 20mm gattling guns, Javelin, Sidewinder, AIM-9X missle launch and guidence assemblies exc. So, they are definitely good enough for my firearms. Plus it is endoresed by the NRA as well as:
Accuracy International
Alexander Arms
Alliant Techsystems
Armalite
BAE Systems / United Defense
BAT Machine
Berger Bullets
Boeing
CZ USA
Dakota / Cor-Bon Ammunition
Dillon Aero
DPMS
Fabrique Nationale (FN)
FNH USA
General Dynamics
Glock
Knight Armament
Larue Tactical
Lewis Machine & Tool
Lockheed Martin
LWRC
Oto Melara
ParaUSA
POF USA
Raytheon
Ringfeder
Savage Arms
SigSauer
SOG Specialty Knives
U.S. Ordnance
Vang Comp Systems

Give it a try. Its great stuff. As for the engine oil. Although it will work, I choose to use a firearms designated lubricant because I see no need to be that frugal. Thats just me though. To each their own.
 
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Eezox and Breakfree CLP are both the best rust inhibitors for firearms by miles, and I mean miles. NOTHING compares to their performance for rust inhibition, and guess what both are synthetics. Synthetic lubes are excellent for what they were designed for, and synthetic motor oil is a lube designed for use on guess what .... hot metal. Put your thinking cap on folks.
 
Synthetic lubes are excellent for what they were designed for, and synthetic motor oil is a lube designed for use on guess what .... hot metal. Put your thinking cap on folks.

Guess what, your car was absolutely freezing cold this morning, and the most critical time for engine wear is the first minute or so at startup. Your oil needs to perform at it's best under cold conditions, and engine oils are designed for that too, otherwise you wouldn't be able to pour it at -40C.
 
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