Is the Tavor just the Flavor of the Day?
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I agree that a non-res bullpup rifle in Canada is a giant leap forward for firearms owners with respect to changing laws and perceptions. I don't agree that the Tavor or any other bullpup rifle are superior to modern designs. Having your 20" barrel and a compact package is an advantage. Locating the magazine well and action close to ones face is not a great idea. The inability to transition to non dominant side due to the ejection port is another strike against bullpup designs. attempting to do mag changes near to ones armpit without dismounting the rifle or coming off target is probably the greatest downfall of the entire bullpup design. With your action in the stock you cannot adjust your LOP to accommodate smaller/larger shooters or the use of LBE and armour. For the cool factor, I'd own one. For $3000 and the cool factor, I'll pass.
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TDC said:
It looks like it works well for what it was designed for.
TDC said:
Are you ambidextrious?
TDC said:
Have you tried a Bullpup? In the USA have tried a SA80, and an AUG and the Mag changes where easy as scratching ones armpit with their opposite hand...which is easy IMHO.
TDC said:
The LOP is moot as it is a bullpup, besides which I'm pretty sure it would not be hard to adjust if one had freaky ape arms.
Besides which I'm pretty sure the Israeli Military knows how to design combat rifles...
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Calum,
I am ambidextrous, not to the level I wish to be but I can operate my tools with both hands. My examples are not only that of a civilian/sport shooter. How would a left hand shooter operate a right handed bullpup rifle without wearing hot brass in the mouth? I understand the system can be converted to eject out the left side, but that isn't something that can be done in a moments notice.
The LOP is crucial for proper fit and mounting of the rifle by the user. Adjustable LOP is of more value in that role than its ability to diminish the size of the rifle for confined spaces.
I have handled Bullpup rifles but never fired one. The ease of mag changes is something that is easier done without wearing armour or LBE something a soldier will always be wearing. That being said, a mag change on a bullpup rifle will still require the user to dismount the rifle and/or come off target. Something you currently do not have to do with conventional designs.
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ETA: coyote ugly, no they do not. They are being issued by the Israeli's to their infantry units as replacements for their M16/M4 series of rifles. They have been quite extensively tested.
I am ambidextrous, not to the level I wish to be but I can operate my tools with both hands. My examples are not only that of a civilian/sport shooter. How would a left hand shooter operate a right handed bullpup rifle without wearing hot brass in the mouth? I understand the system can be converted to eject out the left side, but that isn't something that can be done in a moments notice.
The LOP is crucial for proper fit and mounting of the rifle by the user. Adjustable LOP is of more value in that role than its ability to diminish the size of the rifle for confined spaces.
I have handled Bullpup rifles but never fired one. The ease of mag changes is something that is easier done without wearing armour or LBE something a soldier will always be wearing. That being said, a mag change on a bullpup rifle will still require the user to dismount the rifle and/or come off target. Something you currently do not have to do with conventional designs.
TDC
ETA: coyote ugly, no they do not. They are being issued by the Israeli's to their infantry units as replacements for their M16/M4 series of rifles. They have been quite extensively tested.
Coyote Ugly said:
Are YOU planning on going into combat in Viet Nam any time soon?
Why do so many guys here bring up the combat issue so much?
My air pistol isn't much good for warfare either, but it is fine for competition, ( I have won medals using it ) so that works for me.
This sounds all too much like the anti's favourite line "why do you need...."
I dont need, I want. End of debate
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tootall said:
TooT All- Just interested in the engineering and testing and $$$ that went into the development of the Tavor, as well as any gun. Some are better than others, some are worse. At least the M16, Garand and AK have a background.
The temperatures and humidity were the key subjects (Arctic, Jungle, Desert) if you missed it.
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You think a REAL military rifle like the tavor was designed and built without thought to climate and weather conditions? That would be the AR amigo. This is a modern rifle built after all the lessons learnt from history from a company that produced the Galil and uzi and you think they dont know how to make a reliable firearm? What a joke.
Maybe someday we can all be space shuttle door gunners like yourself.
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Scarecrow said:
You think a REAL military rifle like the tavor was designed and built without thought to climate and weather conditions? That would be the AR amigo. This is a modern rifle built after all the lessons learnt from history from a company that produced the Galil and uzi and you think they dont know how to make a reliable firearm? What a joke.
Maybe someday we can all be space shuttle door gunners like yourself.
Was the Tavor tested in a Freezer or Siberia.
LOL, you're not a mind reader but pretend to be!
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