Is there a need for more Cdn made AR parts?

Rick,

I'd definitely be down for at least one, if not two! Just reserve S/N 088 for me!

Would you be doing the anodizing yourself or contracting out? How much extra would we be looking at for custom engraving?

Perhaps you could pre-program a number of different "custom" engraving options that customers could choose from at reduced cost as opposed to a true custom piece?

A heavy 10.5-11.5 & 14.5" M4 cut barrel options in chrome/moly would be great as well as a 16" heavy varmint contour stainless barrel would be my choices if you start bringing in barrels and/or offering your own uppers.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
There are plans for an upper as well, possibly a piston driven upper, but to get the serial numbered parts into production before any legal changes occur is what matters most right now.

This all came about 2 days ago because my son has no AR and I could not lay my hands on 1 quickly enough if the 3 traitors did manage to pull off their coup. It seems we now have until at least Jan 26/09. No I am not paranoid, I just don't trust any government.:eek:

Getting in the small parts kits has not been an issue for me, hopefully this will remain the case. Permits are in the works for a LARGE amount of small parts, bolts and barrels, this may take some time as most US suppliers are really low on stock right now.
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Damn you :)

well that piston driven upper had very intrigued............cant wait to see it.
 
Would be in for at least a couple...
The price is reasonable for a quality piece.
What are you waiting for?.....Start making big piles of billet chips!:D
 
Great. I would buy one.

idea. Could you make it look a little different, maybe a slightly different cut or angle somewhere. Just to make it different. ?? Nothing crazy like a dlask....

When I read the comments about custom engraving, I just rolled my eyes, how many times has that come up and pretty much killed previous attempts.

Just do what you do, make incredible quality. And when you have this up and running, offer custom extras....@ extra cost.
Don't set-up and slow down your project for those few who want custom engraving. Don't increase my cost or wait time because of it :)
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Well we turned out a sample tonight to take a photo of to pass on to the CFC guys in order to get an FRT# asap
The sample is based on an 80% forging just to expidite the process and to make certain the programming is correct.
Given the response so far some 2x4 7075 stock will be ordered forthwith.

I am not sure if custom serial numbers will be possible, but secondary engraving certainly is. My understanding of the CFC rules is that there must be standardized marking. Stuff like maker, and a standardized serial number range are required, to comply with UN marking regulations that may or may not come into effect we also need to engrave where the action is made and the year.

So the engraving will be something like this

Alberta Tactical Rifle
Model AT15
Ser# ATRS-0800001 the 08 will change with the year so 09 will be for 2009
Calgary Alberta Canada

A stylized maple leaf will be on the opposite side of the mag well, but personalization could be put there if requested
Will post photos as soon as I can get some taken.
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Can you post pic of this?
Sounds great for me. I would love on the had the serial #ATRS-0800078. Plus a CGN logo on the other side would be great! As for the uppers CanadaAmmo has it bang on with a hammer forged barrel 14.5 with the evil threaded barrel and 203 cut out. Now make it with a piston upper and this rifle would be harder than hell to keep up with production.
P.S. Don't froget to put 5.56 x 45mm on the lower and barrel just to piss off all those socialist bastards!
 
Savage said:
Do you have any Idea what Mil Spec Means ?.It would be a shame if the mag well didn't fit P Mags because then no other AR mags would work
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I think he was referring to some Pmags made before 6/07. Magpul was offering a free mag body exchange this year as there were some problems with a proper fit. I had to exchange 6.:)
 
rivetc78 said:
When I read the comments about custom engraving, I just rolled my eyes, how many times has that come up and pretty much killed previous attempts.

Just do what you do, make incredible quality. And when you have this up and running, offer custom extras....@ extra cost.
Don't set-up and slow down your project for those few who want custom engraving. Don't increase my cost or wait time because of it :)
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Agree, Custom work should be option. Hell... I woudn't want flames on the side of my receiver lol . Post some pics of the sample
 
Turf said:
Savage said:
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Do you have any Idea what Mil Spec Means ?.It would be a shame if the mag well didn't fit P Mags because then no other AR mags would work
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I think he was referring to some Pmags made before 6/07. Magpul was offering a free mag body exchange this year as there were some problems with a proper fit. I had to exchange 6.:)
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Also, I was refering to the comment about Type97 possibly not working with PMAG's and not wanting to repeat issues with DLASK magwells.

To answer the question about Mil-spec, I know what that means and that's why my original post had it in quotation marks, I was simply implying that the lower should stay true to the standard design which is generally refered to as being "mil-spec"
 
Personally, I really dont see the point of making lowers becasue Wolverine, Questar and Armseast are alreadly flooded with lowers.........what we need are specialty upper that Armseast, Wolverine or others are not bringing in. I don't really care about some special marking or lower made of barstock. A forging in the shape of the lower is stronger than a forged barstock anyways unless the orientation of the grain is known.

THere is still a supply of typical commerical offerings - what the market lacking are high end "noveske type" uppers that are reliable and accurate, or somethign that are of different calibres.
 
ok 2 things....

1) integral trigger guard, why not make it an option, I wouldbuy one if it followed along th lines of the Magpull enhanced trigger guard.... it is the best "looking" one n my opinion, some of them are just way to big. frankly with the beauty of computers why not offer your lowers both ways..... it is only a button push to get either one.

2) Magwell issues.... I URGE you to definatly buy the biggest selection of magazines you can find, from magpull to thermold, from ok industries to HK416 magazines and make sure you mag well is going to function with all of them.

I know your the king of quality, and I trust you :D (just don't #### it up ;) )
 
furet said:
Also, I was refering to the comment about Type97 possibly not working with PMAG's and not wanting to repeat issues with DLASK magwells.

To answer the question about Mil-spec, I know what that means and that's why my original post had it in quotation marks, I was simply implying that the lower should stay true to the standard design which is generally refered to as being "mil-spec"
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I am aware that the T97 may have problems with the magazine well accepting Pmags.This failure in the AR15 has more to do with following the instructions.This has occurred in the US manufactured AR platforms in the 80s several manufactures rifles would not work with the Orlite mags or Thermold ,however Orlites and Thermold mags worked well in the Colt models .DLasks problems with mag well who knows.

The Technical Data Package covers the specifications and tolerances of all parts and machining required to manufacture a complete rifle

Mil Spec is callously thrown out there by manufactures it is pathetic take for example the Standard issue flash suppressor on the C7/C8 rifles the only thing that is required of these "Mil Spec Part" to be held to any exact tolerance is the Diameter 22mm so rifle launched grenades can be fired from the rifles . Flash Suppressors vary in length by as .140 thou not bad :rolleyes: but manufacture don't follow the TDP to the letter or in this case Decimal they simply choose to ignore it .
 
The prototype that I just submitted to the CFC works with the P mags, standard GI type mags and beta mags.
We will be offering 2 basic versions, 1 that is standard AR configuration and 1 with the "enhanced" trigger guard that is part of the action.

Other answers to questions.
I am not equipped to anodize here so it will be subcontracted, we have a fellow doing our bolt knobs and RAS rails now and his work is phenomenal.

Custom engraving IS an "option" as is specified serial numbers as long as that number has not already been used.

Whether Greentips will allow us to use CGN logo will be his call, so check with him. I will need authorization from him on that 1.

Material was ordered this morning, production will be starting as soon as it arrives, likely in 2 weeks.
For those who want something special, please email me directly with your requests on serial numbers and whether you want standard or enhanced model.

The $400.00 is a cost projection as close as we can estimate. Until we actually have made a production run we won't have an exact cost per unit.

For those who want to get on board now, we will honor the $400.00 price and you will get the serial number you want and will have the option of custom engraving. Once we get into a production run obviously we can not guarantee your serial numbers

A deposit of $200.00 will get you a serial number registered to you.

Photos will be up in the next day or 2 of what the 2 models will look like.
These will be computer generated from the CNC program until our billet stock arrives.
Tolerances will all be held to .001 maximum.

Thanks to all for the input.
 
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