Is there such a thing as a sub moa out of the box 5.56 semi auto non restricted rifle

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(that also doesn't cost 7383636373838$ and the blood of your first born child...)

And if not what's a good ar15 that'll do sub (preferably 1/2 moa-ish)
Out of the box? And at what price ranges?

Or one that with minor mods will meat such accuracy standards?
(Yes I know shooter skill and all that fun stuff will come into play for such superb accuracy but we're talking accuracy potential)
I know some us based manufacturers guarantee 1/2 moa or better (found 2) but they're like 3000USD and the actual hit probability from 3/4 to 1/2 moa is virtually nothing anyway.
 
darufe said:
(that also doesn't cost 7383636373838$ and the blood of your first born child...)

And if not what's a good ar15 that'll do sub (preferably 1/2 moa-ish)
Out of the box? And at what price ranges?

Or one that with minor mods will meat such accuracy standards?
(Yes I know shooter skill and all that fun stuff will come into play for such superb accuracy but we're talking accuracy potential)
I know some us based manufacturers guarantee 1/2 moa or better (found 2) but they're like 3000USD and the actual hit probability from 3/4 to 1/2 moa is virtually nothing anyway.
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No. If you want a consistent sub moa rifle you want a bolt action one and not a semi.
 
its plenty possible many have succeeded to make custom comp ars under half moa. just not for less then the price of a small car is the problem. (or not that ive found)
i already have 2 ####hair shy of quarter moa bolt rifles. im not asking for quarter moa im asking for consistant sub moa.
 
Restricted: Western metal American Spirit Arms AR15, start at MOA garentee (was on sale for $1000 last week) and the Bull barrel version ($1800 1/2 Moa garentee).

Non restricted: Nope

There is Zero point to a 1/2 Moa AR unless you get your kicks off shooting a lead sled at the range showing you can shoot under Dime size hole at 50yards... a rifle that shoots half Moa off a lead sled can be way less accurate than a 2 Moa rifle set up for speed shooting standing up or on the move... A high end AR isn't about inherent accuracy, it's about reliability, usabilty and ergonomics.
 
ahhh damn it i always miss the sales :(
where from?
1800 for a 1/2 moa guaranteed ar with a bull barrel seems like a somewhat reasonable price!
 
Most accurate non res semi i have shot was a H&K SL8, they have thick accurate barrels .. The swiss arms is pretty good too but i dont like the POI shifts when using the bipod or resting it near the end of the handguard , wish there was some sort of free float HG upgrade for it.
 
Mini 14 target model for non restricted. I personally hated the laminate thumhole stock and have just moved mine over to an Archangel. Also The hogue stock version has a lot of flex in it so I avoided that one. These will shoot in that 1 moa/just sub moa. I've had my Swiss Arms target model (no cheek weld issues) shoot sub moa but just barely and I wouldn't claim consistently sub moa. I used 62 grain American Eagle.

For 308, Look at the FN FAR.

For restricted, the Stag 6R had a 1/2 moa guarantee.
 
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When you find one let's me know. I see AR's have a hard time doing sub moa, free floating barrel on non restricted I can't think of any really
 
My Colt HBAR seems to do pretty well with handloads. I also had a S&W M&P 15 Sport that looked like it might be able to pull it off with the right load and a decent scope. I'm assuming you handload, if not you may have a sub moa rifle and just don't know it.

As for why shoot bugholes? Marksmanship, get really good shooting off a bag, or bipod and you can be confident you've eliminated the variables that you have control over. Same goes for the rifle, get it shooting as tight as possible and you will score better at longer range...some people do shoot past 100 yds.

Leadslead? What kind of primate shoots off a leadslead? Only lower forms of life shoot off leadsleads. ;)
 
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HK SL8 is the most accurate non restricted out of the box for under $3000. Most are capable of around 1 moa with premium ammo or handloads (I've owned 3 of them over the years). Other than that you're looking at over $3000 for a rifle that might be able to consistently shoot 1 moa and that will be with premium ammo and off of sandbags which really isn't why most people would want a semi auto. If you want to shoot a rifle in 3-gun or any other action shooting discipline then a 2 moa rifle is more than enough to hit plates out to 300 yards. I like my rifles to be accurate but I like them to be light weight as well which means no heavy barrel models and is why I sold mt SL8's, they're no fun when out in the field all day shooting gophers or running a course.
The cheapest way to get into an accurate semi auto is to get an AR but then your confined to the gun range, if that's not a problem for you then there are options out there for you but most of the accurate high quality AR's are not cheap.
You could always build your own AR upper, spend $500+ on a barrel and then go with budget parts for the rest.
 
Your best option is a good heavy barreled AR15 but its restricted.
If you want unrestricted I think youre out of luck.

Lots of guys will claim better than 1 MOA but they will be cherry picking lucky 3 round groups. Very few real 5-10 round groups under 1 MOA with any of the usual suspects.

And my personal favourite... That flyer was me... I pulled that.... Why do guys always try and take the blame for flyers as though they don't want to believe the gun falls short of their imagination.
 
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That Nosler stuff is good ammo, but reloads might shave a bit off still. In either case, it's sub-MOA and it's substantially less $7383636373838. In fact, it's like $7383636370838 less.
 
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sniper version of the swiss arms is well below 1moa with factory premium ammo
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I think you missed the part where he mentioned less than $7383636373838. At $10,000 I don't think many will be buying one of them. In case anyone is interested Calgary Shooting Center has one in the display case.
 
Both my FNAR Competition and my HK SL8-4 are sub MOA out of the box, my Swiss Black special is MOA but the ergonomic of this rifle just make it a favorite... JP.
 
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