Is there such a thing as a sub moa out of the box 5.56 semi auto non restricted rifle
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I have a Swiss Arms Sniper model with an older Night Force NXS 5.5-22x50 scope mounted on it. Using Ruag 63 grain FMJ ammo, I consistently get just under sub MOA. To be fair there are only a handful of these rifles kicking around Canada (somewhere under 15 I have been told) and the ammo was a one time buy (I have about 10 cases of this left and save it exclusively for this rifle). So it is possible to do with a Swiss Arms. This rifle is more accurate than any other stock semi auto rifle I own or have ever shot. Phil.
I've owned (and sold without regret...) a couple of Swiss Arms; the Target flat-top model was an honest MOA rifle with selected loads. Too bad the MOA groups were always in different spots on the target depending upon how the rifle was supported.
I've shot an SL8 that did MOA with the owner's handloads; don't know about other ammo. It was a definite contender for most-uncomfortable-rifle-I-have-ever-shot status.
I've recently had a chance to shoot a Mini14 Target that was easily holding MOA with some good factory ammo. Another belonging to a good friend does MOA with cheap Winchester white box stuff. My own will do MOA with handloads, but doesn't quite cut it with factory stuff...very close, but not quite. If I were looking for a MOA non-res .223 semi, that's where I would go. The Hogue version is too flexy; the laminate stock is much stiffer and gives me better accuracy, but for me it looks and handles like crap. Perfection would be a Mini Target in a good aftermarket stock.
Black rifle guys always seem to change every component on any gun they buy with "look cool" stuff...sometimes before they even shoot it!...so swapping out a stock on a Mini for increased accuracy seems like an acceptable option.
I'll show myself out now, before the Mini-haters limber up their keyboards...
I've shot an SL8 that did MOA with the owner's handloads; don't know about other ammo. It was a definite contender for most-uncomfortable-rifle-I-have-ever-shot status.
I've recently had a chance to shoot a Mini14 Target that was easily holding MOA with some good factory ammo. Another belonging to a good friend does MOA with cheap Winchester white box stuff. My own will do MOA with handloads, but doesn't quite cut it with factory stuff...very close, but not quite. If I were looking for a MOA non-res .223 semi, that's where I would go. The Hogue version is too flexy; the laminate stock is much stiffer and gives me better accuracy, but for me it looks and handles like crap. Perfection would be a Mini Target in a good aftermarket stock.
Black rifle guys always seem to change every component on any gun they buy with "look cool" stuff...sometimes before they even shoot it!...so swapping out a stock on a Mini for increased accuracy seems like an acceptable option.
I'll show myself out now, before the Mini-haters limber up their keyboards...
Most factory semi auto rifles unless they call it a match rifle won't shoot sub-moa or even MOA consistently. A MOAish rifle with factory ammo is pretty much as "match" as you can get, in 10 round groups.
Your quest for a factory sub-moa rifle, that is one that will consistently shoot sub moa, is pretty much hopeless.
Your quest for a factory sub-moa rifle, that is one that will consistently shoot sub moa, is pretty much hopeless.
Potato boy
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I know it's not a semi, but the Troy PAR is supposed to be a sub MOA rifle and non restricted. Nut fancy and Iraq veteran reviewed them and spoke quite favorably about them. If I didn't have a 7615 I'd probably buy one
that was not the post I quoted, nor the intent of my post.
If you want to get right down to it, the regular swiss arms and many of the other NR semi autos on the market fall into that less than $7383636373838 area for most people.
If it was not for our firearms act being what it is and canadian manufacturers and retailers taking advantage of us, we would have many affordable choices in the NR category
I was able to work up a good load with 52 gr Hdy bthp match that would do < moa with my HL SL-8. 5 shot groups, off a bench with a bipod at 100 yds. Not every group, I'm not that good, but multiple groups in a sitting when I was trying to do my part. Wasn't able to find any other load or factory that would work for that gun.
prairie lover
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my mini 14 target will stay right at moa for a 10 shot group more often than not with handloads. I have the laminate version. bedded, trigger job and adjustable gas block.
Doc Rainbow
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I'm wondering how accurate that Volquartsen Evolution at Wanstall's is ( as I closely follow it's decreasing price )
do you guys sell the san cheek riser? that would help with my groupings
https://www.westernmetal.ca/shooting/asa-16-inch-bull-barrel-carbine-canadian-model-asa-16-bba3-cdn
think this is the model someone was saying he had found at 1800 or 1900 earlier?
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index....tegory_id=229&CFID=604672245&CFTOKEN=97269779
1350 USD so probably about 2k-2100 cad if it can be found anywhere in canada
i hear the stag model 6 is also extremely accurate.
and model 3g isnt half bad either
think its time to look into irunguns eh?
think this is the model someone was saying he had found at 1800 or 1900 earlier?
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index....tegory_id=229&CFID=604672245&CFTOKEN=97269779
1350 USD so probably about 2k-2100 cad if it can be found anywhere in canada
i hear the stag model 6 is also extremely accurate.
and model 3g isnt half bad either
think its time to look into irunguns eh?
Right, it couldn't possibly be because the Canadian dollar is in the dumps, the cost of living where the NR rifles are made is quite high (like Switzerland), the effort to get a semi-auto registered as NR, and/or that Canadian gun buyers don't have the volume power to command lower prices...
I don't imagine it's very easy to bring a novel design to market at a low price point, in a country with a high cost of living and little potential sales, in a competitive environment where any teething issues will destroy your sales against proven designs. But if you think otherwise, you're more than welcome to attempt it.
hmmmmm now im kinda debating how damn heavy of an ar i want. 24" for half moa is nice...on a bench.
competition grade 3gL would be nice but doesnt carry any accuracy guarantee from what i can tell?
RRA has a few 3/4 moa guaranteed rifles that dont weigh 10lbs
so many toys so little money
competition grade 3gL would be nice but doesnt carry any accuracy guarantee from what i can tell?
RRA has a few 3/4 moa guaranteed rifles that dont weigh 10lbs
so many toys so little money
I found the heavier the bullet the more accurate groups I got, the 77 grain factory loaded smk's got me equivalent to the approx 3/4 moa factory target that shipped with my sniper. with someone more skilled on the rifle than myself and hand loads, I am sure that can be improved on.
