Is this normal? S&W 629 4.2"
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Could also be from folks handling the gun and cocking the gun quickly and not letting the hammer down all the way, then quickly cocking it again. The drag marks on the cylinder indicate the gun has been cocked more than once.
Take Care
Bob
Small Update:
Today I received a call from the receptionist(?) at Murray Charlton Enterprises who informed me that my Revolver was received.
I was told it'd be looked at when it works it way through their queue.
Fingers crossed it's sooner rather than months later.
Keep you all posted.
Today I received a call from the receptionist(?) at Murray Charlton Enterprises who informed me that my Revolver was received.
I was told it'd be looked at when it works it way through their queue.
Fingers crossed it's sooner rather than months later.
Keep you all posted.
I went a step further and did a YouTube video of the gun dry firing. I also tried to capture the extractor wobble but its kind slight and hard to see, and even harder to do with one hand. No its not Darth Vader in the background its me, i breath heavy lmao. Fat fuk i am.
Doesn't look like timing is out to me.
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Doesn't look like timing is out to me.
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From shooting i could see it, as its a powerful round. At least as far as my gun in concerned i dont see a big issue. I would not stand up in front of my gun lol.
Good pics.
So when you close the cylinder, how much rotational play is there?
With my 629, it is very tight and with very little movement. My 686 and 17-2 have somewhat more movement but no peening (on any gun) and I have fired thousands of rounds through all three. With that said, I wonder what the acceptable specs (thousandths of an inch) are with respect to the cylinder stop and cylinder notch?
Revising my opinion, other than a manufacturing defect or just a soft stainless cylinder, I can't see what is causing your problem.
Cocked&Locked
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If someone had been dry firing in double action fast, that could have caused it. Any and all double action revolvers will develop peening in the notches with fast double action work. That being said, it should be present on a new revolver, and the amount your showing in the pics, well, i'd expect that after 1-2000 rounds of double action practice....
I have never owned a S&W, but I use to do alot of cow boy action shooting. I had a Ruger 357 New model black Hawk. I shot this gun for 8 years and it didnt show "that" kind of wear. I could undstand this if you bought a Norinco, but having said that, I"ve had good luck with the fit and finish on a $300 china gun LOL. China quality Rising...U.S quality Falling.
Unacceptable.
Unacceptable.
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Yup, this is what i think, just an overall lack of Quality control on behalf of Smith & Wessen. There is very little play in my cylinder, but there is some. Id have no issue shooting factory ammo out of the gun, but I wouldn't want to try some heavy recoiling handloads thats for sure.
Rugers are known to be much tougher and sturdier built then Smiths.
Heres a video of the cylinder locked up, Im wiggleing it to show the play that there is. There is some, but no different then any other of the revolvers ive owned. At least that i can remember anyhow.
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mcfrenchie
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I have 3 old S&W (approx.30 years old) a model 29 , 27 and 14. None of them show any signs of cylinder peening or marking. This can't be normal. I'd return it for credit or replacement. Good luck. Keep us informed of the results !
mc_frenchie
mc_frenchie
Lots of opinions out there as to the root cause and whether it is a real issue or not. Interesting stuff.
Here is a good read:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-re...0-rounds-results-cylinder-damage-galling.html
Here is a good read:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-re...0-rounds-results-cylinder-damage-galling.html
Okay! Here it is... Update from the gunsmith:
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"The slight burring has been caused by someone spinning the cylinder and not stopping it properly. Done continually, this will tear the notches. This cylinder is truly not bad. The factory will not replace the cylinder under warranty as the marks are very slight and will occur during normal wear and tear."
I guess my question is, who was spinning the cylinders as this was a brand-new gun. Would S&W use used-cylinders?
"The extractor rod wobble I will correct under warranty. I will also cover return shipping costs to you under warranty."
Excellent. Better than finding out it was acceptable as well.
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So, there you have it.
If S&W wouldn't let this cylinder leave the factory in that condition (key word being "If"), then either someone at North Sylva Co. or Ellwoodepps is abusing product then selling as new which seems unlikely since a few users here also have the same problem.
Logically it would seem that S&W really doesn't give a **** about Canada and is sending garbage up this way (i.e. used parts); I am leading towards this since there is a confirmed 2000-unit difference between S/N of the same model destined for Canada as a "Special Run". Total BS!!!
I'm glad the rod wobble is good for warranty. I'm upset about the cylinder, but I was given the option to buy a new one and pay for it and the labour. Better than nothing I suppose, but puts the price of this gun much higher than anticipated.
At the end of the day I've learned the following things:
-Ask for pics before buying from a dealer (sadly).
-Ask dealers policy on returning guns if not satisfied; I'd much rather get my money back at this point.
-Being first isn't always a good thing.
Next update will hopefully answer above questions with an ETA on return time.
~Cheers
Big +1 to Murray for getting back to me in a timely manner.
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"The slight burring has been caused by someone spinning the cylinder and not stopping it properly. Done continually, this will tear the notches. This cylinder is truly not bad. The factory will not replace the cylinder under warranty as the marks are very slight and will occur during normal wear and tear."
I guess my question is, who was spinning the cylinders as this was a brand-new gun. Would S&W use used-cylinders?
"The extractor rod wobble I will correct under warranty. I will also cover return shipping costs to you under warranty."
Excellent. Better than finding out it was acceptable as well.
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So, there you have it.
If S&W wouldn't let this cylinder leave the factory in that condition (key word being "If"), then either someone at North Sylva Co. or Ellwoodepps is abusing product then selling as new which seems unlikely since a few users here also have the same problem.
Logically it would seem that S&W really doesn't give a **** about Canada and is sending garbage up this way (i.e. used parts); I am leading towards this since there is a confirmed 2000-unit difference between S/N of the same model destined for Canada as a "Special Run". Total BS!!!
I'm glad the rod wobble is good for warranty. I'm upset about the cylinder, but I was given the option to buy a new one and pay for it and the labour. Better than nothing I suppose, but puts the price of this gun much higher than anticipated.
At the end of the day I've learned the following things:
-Ask for pics before buying from a dealer (sadly).
-Ask dealers policy on returning guns if not satisfied; I'd much rather get my money back at this point.
-Being first isn't always a good thing.
Next update will hopefully answer above questions with an ETA on return time.
~Cheers
Big +1 to Murray for getting back to me in a timely manner.
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I believe Epps doesn't include pics so you wouldn't have bought from them and would have been spared the BS. Unfortunately, it would be someones else's BS to deal with. I know my next online retail purchase will be made very carefully.
I have to give it to you for being so calm and accepting of the findings.
