Issues With BC Chief Firearms Officer
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16 days is fast???
fast compared to what...you can buy insurance in a few minutes..pay bills in seconds and receive a security clearance in a day or two..no my friend 16 days is not fast for something we pay for..we are law abiding citizens and should be regarded as such..in this case it is far from the case as we seem to be under some unique aura of criminal intent that needs investigation..again remember real criminals don't register guns..they skirt the system..this whole CFO is a sad pathetic tax grab run under flawed logic period..
fast compared to what...you can buy insurance in a few minutes..pay bills in seconds and receive a security clearance in a day or two..no my friend 16 days is not fast for something we pay for..we are law abiding citizens and should be regarded as such..in this case it is far from the case as we seem to be under some unique aura of criminal intent that needs investigation..again remember real criminals don't register guns..they skirt the system..this whole CFO is a sad pathetic tax grab run under flawed logic period..
Bc cfo
I recently sold two restricted firearms to an out-of-town buyer. Once I received the authorization to transfer, I faxed an ATT request to the BC CFO to take the guns from my residence to the Post Office. Fax sent about 5pm Thursday....return fax with ATT received about noon Friday !!
I recently sold two restricted firearms to an out-of-town buyer. Once I received the authorization to transfer, I faxed an ATT request to the BC CFO to take the guns from my residence to the Post Office. Fax sent about 5pm Thursday....return fax with ATT received about noon Friday !!
Fast compared to the time waited by people who don't have conservative MPs helping them.
I didn't fully quote the previous poster. Sorry for being unclear.
I completely agree that 16 business days for an LTATT is ridiculous. But I think all ATTs are ridiculous.
Yes all ATTs are ridiculous. In my case I had to wait 6 weeks for a recent LTATT from BC CFO., and for what? I can take my handgun to all approved ranges in BC at all times that they are open, visit any gunsmith and cross borders (with other documents in place). This is all I want to do, so why do I need an ATT?
Hey guys just wanted to say things might be getting better here in bc as it only took just over a month for me to get my rpal. I sent it in aug 2 they got it aug 8 was on line aug 25 and it was approved today so not all that bad. Hope things get better and the rest of the wait times are shorter. Now time to apply for my first ltatt 
My RPAL is coming up for renewal in May of next year. I will be 64 and have had a firearms licence since they became mandatory in '79; this will be my third renewal under the PAL system.
My LTATT is the same as Rogwp's and was good for 5 years when it was issued in '08. It's also good 24/7/365 and includes all restricteds in my possession and makes no mention of make, model, serial # of any. When I fill out my RPAL renewal and LTATT I will be including Canada Post Offices and any other allowable destinations to acquire or deliver restricted firearms.
In other words, if I take the ferry over to Vancouver and buy a pistol or AR from Wanstalls and the transfer is approved on the spot, then I take it home. I've been ####ing vetted already.
Same applies to this post office bull####. And truth be told.........never mind.
Anyway, we'll see what happens next May. Time to take a stand on this horse crap.
Unfortunately this isn't a sign of improvement. RPAL applications have been handled very inconsistently. Over the past few months many have been approved quickly as yours was. But many have also taken several months. LTATTs and transfers have been more consistently slow.
No question about that. The last time I had a restricted approved on the spot was in 2002 and it still took 4 hours.
My point is that all purchases of restricteds by RPAL holders, once approved, should not require an ATT of any sort, period. You buy it, take it home, the range, the post office whatever.
If the Canadian Firearms Program worked as advertised, transfer approval should require no more than a few keystrokes. All of the police information systems and CFRO, CFIS and several other systems all talk to one another. As I said, we are checked on an ongoing basis so what's the problem? The problem is the bureaucrats are targeting the wrong people.
Toronto is a prime example
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- Prince George, BC
I phoned them middle of August to find out where my RPAL was (renewal) as it was sent by CFC to them in july. I was told that it would be at least 6 more months before I would recieve it because they are "under staffed" my license is now expired and they basicaly told me to piss off it's not their problem after informing them that this was unexceptable and totally rediculous the woman tells me that steven harper wont let them hire any more people so its his fault and I should take it up with him. (not joking)
I think the CFO's is trying to make a point (protest) the government cutting the fat out of the bureaucracy and they dont like it. I think this is all a ploy by the office to get us to complain on their behalf so the can justify their jobs existance.
there is no more work load now in fact id argue there is much less then there was 4 or 5 years ago and their work force is more or less the same. 4-5 years ago Long term ATT was in your hand in 2 weeks, license were approved and in the mail AT MOST a month but usually within 2 weeks.
nothing but a damn ploy to justify themselves at our expense
I think the CFO's is trying to make a point (protest) the government cutting the fat out of the bureaucracy and they dont like it. I think this is all a ploy by the office to get us to complain on their behalf so the can justify their jobs existance.
there is no more work load now in fact id argue there is much less then there was 4 or 5 years ago and their work force is more or less the same. 4-5 years ago Long term ATT was in your hand in 2 weeks, license were approved and in the mail AT MOST a month but usually within 2 weeks.
nothing but a damn ploy to justify themselves at our expense
str8shooterbc
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I had a phone call from Terry Hamilton, BC CFO, day before yesterday. This was probably prompted by my letters (plural) to the Ministry of Public Safety in Ottawa and follow up phone calls. I also did get a letter from the Assistant Commissioner, Director General, CFP, Policing Support Services at the same time.
Among other things I told Ms. Hamilton the slow movement in reissuing PALs and ATTs only looked to me like it was a move to ensure the appearance to the Feds that the BC CFO office needs even more people - job security in light of the fact that the Feds announced civil service job cuts at about the same time Bill C-19 became law eliminating the Long Gun Registry.
Well two days later here it is:
Federal government issues possible layoff notices to more civil servants
OTTAWA - Hundreds more federal government jobs appear to be on the chopping block.
The union representing the civil servants says nearly 600 of its members working at Human Resources and Social Development Canada today received notices of possible layoff.
The Public Service Alliance of Canada says another 149 RCMP employees were also told they could lose their jobs.
PSAC vice-president Chris Aylward calls it another sad day for the union's members and for people who rely on federal services.
Most of those affected at the Human Resources Department are stationed in the National Capital Region.
The potential RCMP cuts are spread across the country and include forensic lab workers.
Since the 2012 budget, more than 18,000 PSAC members have received notices that they could lose their jobs.
My opinion still has not changed, especially in light of the announced 149 RCMP suppot staff jobs that will go by the way side. I don't really like people loosing their job - I experienced it some 30 years ago and it wasn't fun. However saying that the CFC and CFO offices across the country have been building Empires for decades. Perhaps the over staffing is the major reason the "gun control program" started by the Jean Cretien Liberals is more that $2billion and counting. Prior to the end of the "Long Gun Registry" PALs and ATTs were issued quickly by the BC CFO. One can only draw the conclusion I have come to.
Ken
Among other things I told Ms. Hamilton the slow movement in reissuing PALs and ATTs only looked to me like it was a move to ensure the appearance to the Feds that the BC CFO office needs even more people - job security in light of the fact that the Feds announced civil service job cuts at about the same time Bill C-19 became law eliminating the Long Gun Registry.
Well two days later here it is:
Federal government issues possible layoff notices to more civil servants
OTTAWA - Hundreds more federal government jobs appear to be on the chopping block.
The union representing the civil servants says nearly 600 of its members working at Human Resources and Social Development Canada today received notices of possible layoff.
The Public Service Alliance of Canada says another 149 RCMP employees were also told they could lose their jobs.
PSAC vice-president Chris Aylward calls it another sad day for the union's members and for people who rely on federal services.
Most of those affected at the Human Resources Department are stationed in the National Capital Region.
The potential RCMP cuts are spread across the country and include forensic lab workers.
Since the 2012 budget, more than 18,000 PSAC members have received notices that they could lose their jobs.
My opinion still has not changed, especially in light of the announced 149 RCMP suppot staff jobs that will go by the way side. I don't really like people loosing their job - I experienced it some 30 years ago and it wasn't fun. However saying that the CFC and CFO offices across the country have been building Empires for decades. Perhaps the over staffing is the major reason the "gun control program" started by the Jean Cretien Liberals is more that $2billion and counting. Prior to the end of the "Long Gun Registry" PALs and ATTs were issued quickly by the BC CFO. One can only draw the conclusion I have come to.
Ken
While waiting on hold for the BC CFO office, I did some math based on the stats on teh RCMP website.
Total (across Canada) transfers processed in Q2 2012: 76,894
Total (across Canada) restricted + prohibited firearms registered: 740,536
BC restricted + prohibited firearms registered: 131,038
% of restricted + prohibited firearms regisetered to BC residents: 17.7%
Assuming that people transfer firearms at similar rates across the country, that puts the estimate of restrsicted + prohibited transfers at: 13606
At an estimated 64 business days in Q2 2012, that's 213 transfers per business day for BC.
My guess is that this over-states it because the total number of transfers might include non-restricted transfers that are only being done in Quebec.
Total (across Canada) transfers processed in Q2 2012: 76,894
Total (across Canada) restricted + prohibited firearms registered: 740,536
BC restricted + prohibited firearms registered: 131,038
% of restricted + prohibited firearms regisetered to BC residents: 17.7%
Assuming that people transfer firearms at similar rates across the country, that puts the estimate of restrsicted + prohibited transfers at: 13606
At an estimated 64 business days in Q2 2012, that's 213 transfers per business day for BC.
My guess is that this over-states it because the total number of transfers might include non-restricted transfers that are only being done in Quebec.
In theory the only way a CFO could get away with this is if all CFOs colluded to do the same thing.
CFOs have the exactly same job in every province. Their work is very measurable. It should be very easy to compare one province to another and reprimand or replace the ones that are under-performing.
But it would require the attention of whoever is writing the cheques. And I'm not sure that's going to happen.
Hey guys just wanted to say things might be getting better here in bc as it only took just over a month for me to get my rpal. I sent it in aug 2 they got it aug 8 was on line aug 25 and it was approved today so not all that bad. Hope things get better and the rest of the wait times are shorter. Now time to apply for my first ltatt
Man...
Had my renewal documents received by CFC in April, now about 2 weeks or so until expiry and no word from BC CFO. That is 6 months they've had my documents. Going to let this weekend pass then get on the fax/phone.
I hate this kind of stuff.
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re...why not consider this
so why should we not be able to register a gun under a different province if this is a Federal issue?? Federal law trumps provincial law via supreme court edict..so why have two levels doing the same thing?? can one say tax grab..ask yourself this..if you have a criminal record..all police services are interlinked in canada and can look up CPIC. So why do we require Provincial registries?? and Quebec is sucking the hind tit of all Canadians..they are a have not province..do not and have never contributed to Canadian well being..but they love to suckle at the teat..and where are all those great past leader of Quebec..oh yeah they flee to europe on our pension funds until they grow old and ill..then they are happy to be Canadians..the bull#### has to stop..the truth has to be told...and the people have to regain their rights and rule...we pay..they serve..not the other way around..everyone grow a pair or borrow them..it has to end NOW>....
CFOs have the exactly same job in every province. Their work is very measurable. It should be very easy to compare one province to another and reprimand or replace the ones that are under-performing.
But it would require the attention of whoever is writing the cheques. And I'm not sure that's going to happen.[/QUOTE]
so why should we not be able to register a gun under a different province if this is a Federal issue?? Federal law trumps provincial law via supreme court edict..so why have two levels doing the same thing?? can one say tax grab..ask yourself this..if you have a criminal record..all police services are interlinked in canada and can look up CPIC. So why do we require Provincial registries?? and Quebec is sucking the hind tit of all Canadians..they are a have not province..do not and have never contributed to Canadian well being..but they love to suckle at the teat..and where are all those great past leader of Quebec..oh yeah they flee to europe on our pension funds until they grow old and ill..then they are happy to be Canadians..the bull#### has to stop..the truth has to be told...and the people have to regain their rights and rule...we pay..they serve..not the other way around..everyone grow a pair or borrow them..it has to end NOW>....
CFOs have the exactly same job in every province. Their work is very measurable. It should be very easy to compare one province to another and reprimand or replace the ones that are under-performing.
But it would require the attention of whoever is writing the cheques. And I'm not sure that's going to happen.[/QUOTE]
