It's almost depressing trying to buy an AR15 in Canada

[Satain]

Firstly why?

Second No

1) Want to get into the black rifle market.

2) 223/5.56 is the biggest waste of time round in a rifle. I mean if your a women you would love this round just as much as you like the 9mm. But if your a man's man you know that 7.62 bullet is as proven as the 45 ACP. I would ask for it in 7.62 x 51mm but even the cheap chinese stuff is way to expensive for a range only rifle.

3) Last & most importantly the uper's are completly interchangable with the 223 chamber ones. So if my girlfriend wants to fire it she can & won't complain about the recoil. Also 223 uper's are a dime a dozen and how many people you know with a 7.62 x 39mm AR 15?

 

[Leg]

There's nothing wrong with threading a barrel.

The CFC has given answers both ways on the barrel shortening thing. The "grey area" comes in with what is the definition of a "manufactured barrel."

Is a guy in his garage with a hacksaw a manufacturer?
Is your machinist buddy with a lathe a manufacturer?
Is a gun shop with a smith a manufacturer?
Do you have to buy barrel stock and cut it to length and profile to be a manufacturer?
Do you have to buy ingots of steel and make a barrel from scratch?

And the answer is, god only knows in Canada. You have to get charged and let the courts decide sadly.

I never said that their was anything wrong with threading a barrel, the issue seems to be cutting it down. Grey area? what grey area? The people on this board that make a living selling and working on guns have all said that it's a no no according to the CFC technical folks. If they won't risk it why tell others that it's ok? Personally I don't care what people do, I'm simply repeating what TSE, TacOrd, Arms East and Questar have said. They have the inside track on this info, not me.

Personally, I don't see the logic in how a barrel that is already less than 18.5" (a 16" barrel, for example) becomes prohib by cutting it down further. It didn't arrive at a length less than 18.5" as a result of cutting, modification, alteration etc.. It was already less than that length, so it didn't arrive at a length less than that as a result of cutting.... Am I making sense?

ETA: The simple solution is to have a barrel turned from a blank to the length that you want. Or is this what you were reffering to as a grey area?

 

[Throttle_monkey1]

what constitutes a blank? Where do we get solid answers?

 

[Gunnerlove]

But if your a man's man you know that 7.62 bullet is as proven as the 45 ACP.

Picking a fight with Kevin? This should be good.

 

[rommelrommel]

I never said that their was anything wrong with threading a barrel, the issue seems to be cutting it down. Grey area? what grey area? The people on this board that make a living selling and working on guns have all said that it's a no no according to the CFC technical folks. If they won't risk it why tell others that it's ok? Personally I don't care what people do, I'm simply repeating what TSE, TacOrd, Arms East and Questar have said. They have the inside track on this info, not me.

Personally, I don't see the logic in how a barrel that is already less than 18.5" (a 16" barrel, for example) becomes prohib by cutting it down further. It didn't arrive at a length less than 18.5" as a result of cutting, modification, alteration etc.. It was already less than that length, so it didn't arrive at a length less than that as a result of cutting.... Am I making sense?

ETA: The simple solution is to have a barrel turned from a blank to the length that you want. Or is this what you were reffering to as a grey area?

Well, OP said:

So if I ask a ghuy to lathe the front of a barrel he is not doing anything wrong? I just want to confirm that because I can just picture what will happen when I ask local machine shops to thread a barrel for me. Even though it is legal, most people won't bother just out of general confusion regarding firearms laws.

And then you said in response to that:

Lots of people with more experience than you or I are telling you that it is not OK, that the technical folks at the CFC say that it would be considered a prohib.

Looking like you were telling him that even threading a barrel is not ok. Sorry if I misunderstood.

The "grey area" to me is that there is no legal definition of a manufactured barrel. The law is very poorly written. Hell, the crown attorney could even make a case that buying a barrel blank, and then having turned to length and profiled is "altering." Just as you could make a case in court, that when you took the barrel off of the rifle that you were no longer altering the firearm, but in fact manufacturing a shorter barrel. And as I said, only the courts can decide, and only after someone is charged.

The best opinion on the subject probably does come from the CFC when they say taking barrel off and cutting = prohib, and newly manufactured from barrel stock = ok, but no one really knows at this point.

 

[K-2]

Ooh, Satain just called the .232/5.56 a girls' round.

I wonder how that'll go down with all those who think of themselves as alpha males when they run around with the latest and meanest looking AR?

 

[greentips]

Ooh, Satain just called the .232/5.56 a girls' round.

I wonder how that'll go down with all those who think of themselves as alpha males when they run around with the latest and meanest looking AR?

I wonder if anyone will call it a girl's round if they take one in the chest.

 

[Taman]

(...)
2) 223/5.56 is the biggest waste of time round in a rifle. I mean if your a women you would love this round just as much as you like the 9mm. But if your a man's man you know that 7.62 bullet is as proven as the 45 ACP. (...)

3) Last & most importantly the uper's are completly interchangable with the 223 chamber ones. So if my girlfriend wants to fire it she can & won't complain about the recoil. Also 223 uper's are a dime a dozen and how many people you know with a 7.62 x 39mm AR 15?

Incredible.

Edit: I wonder who came up with that phrase: "A man's man"? Obviously its meant to imply that the person is manly and hetero, but if you take the words at face value it sounds pretty ghey. Literally you're some guys "man"...

 

[greentips]

A man's man is called a b..........

 

[RevolverRodger]

223/5.56 is the biggest waste of time round in a rifle. I mean if your a women you would love this round just as much as you like the 9mm. But if your a man's man you know that 7.62 bullet is as proven as the 45 ACP. I would ask for it in 7.62 x 51mm but even the cheap chinese stuff is way to expensive for a range only rifle.

Yes you are such a smart guy. Most modern soldiers are wussies that's why they use the feeble 5.56 and 9mm. You on the other hand are my hero... I bet you shoot your 7.62 mm rifle one handed.

 

[Satain]

Chest of what? Coyote? At least that's the conclusion I came two after releasing that the creators of the m16's infamous 5.56 x 45mm are currently looking for a replacement to this round due to a lack of stopping power. Or is the only reason why the guys over in Afghanistan are dusting of the old m14's is strictly for fun

 

[Satain]

Yes you are such a smart guy. Most modern soldiers are wussies that's why they use the feeble 5.56 and 9mm. You on the other hand are my hero... I bet you shoot your 7.62 mm rifle one handed.

Yes!
And with one hand can hit the gong at 200m 2 out of 5 times.
Aww...
Wait I know it is a ballistically challenged round. OK so I can print a 4 inch group with my desert eagle @ 25 meter's.
Wait that is still to easy you say?
How about hitting the bulls eye @ 100 meter's with my S&W 500 mag???

All I want to say is for the price of ammo now days is that for 50 cents around I would way rather have the 7.62 x 51mm then the ### 5.56 x 45mm it is totally inferior in every way shape and form. Just for plinking at the range? LoL! Now since the AR platform is a restricted weapon why not use the cheapest most mass produced round in the world besides the 22 caliber?

 

[Throttle_monkey1]

i for one wouldn't wanna take a round of 5.56 in the chest. I like breathing.

 

[jamiejaf]

Mid length Ars are redundant..much like a 3/4 ton truck. Its no good for small or big stuff and doesn't cover both. The front sight block it too far back and the handguards are too short. Probably why they came up with the 16" dissipator rifles.

 

[Gunnerlove]

Any AR sitting in a locker is redundant. Shooting in Provincial and National service rifle competitions is what legitimizes the black rifles(read:lets you keep them).

A focus on plinking is myopic at best.

 

[ian_in_vic]

Wow, this thread has really gone for a sh*t, did someone leave the door open? (my apologies to all the respondents who like me, aren't "real men", oh yeah and all the combat veterans too)

 

[Leg]

Mid length Ars are redundant..much like a 3/4 ton truck. Its no good for small or big stuff and doesn't cover both. The front sight block it too far back and the handguards are too short. Probably why they came up with the 16" dissipator rifles.

What are you talking about? Midlengths are the best compromise going. It'll get you out to 500m no problem and it's only 1.5" longer than an M4 so it still pretty good for CQB.

Dissy's predate midlengths and the only thing good about them is the longer sight radius if you're using irons. Seeing as how must people use some type of optic on their AR's they are mostly redundant.

 

[Paulinski]

Obligatory IBTL

 

[FPembleton]

Mid length Ars are redundant..much like a 3/4 ton truck. Its no good for small or big stuff and doesn't cover both. The front sight block it too far back and the handguards are too short. Probably why they came up with the 16" dissipator rifles.

What does this paragraph even mean? Are you confused between a 16" barrel with a carbine system and a 16" barrel with a midlength system?

 

[KevinB]

16 Midlenght is the perfect GP rifle
IMHO anything beyond 16" in a 5.56mm gun, your better off with a different caliber.