James Reeves 410 revolver burn down.

[Painkillers]

On the one hand I can understand a lot of the posts here. I'm a cabinet maker, and I remember last year A friend of mine wanted to make his wife some bookshelves and he asked for my help. I told him he could use some good Maple plywood out of my stock and just reimburse me for the cost. Well, he got here the next day and told me he was thinking of using this birch plywood that he found at Rona instead, because their retail price was still like half of my at cost price for the good Maple ply that I had.

I explained to him that the birch plywood he was looking at was from China, and I told him that I'd seen more than a lifetime of cheap Chinese plywood And I would never use it at all, not even for someone I didn't like, or even a wife, because there's absolutely no reason to make your project out of crap and to make your life more frustrating in the process. I told him how the veneer was thin crap, the core was crap, it would splinter, it would be full of voids, and it would warp like no get out.

But he was looking to save some money, so he went with the Chinese Birch, and sure enough it was total crap and his project ended up crap.

I think about that because China is a pretty big country, some people might say it's even the biggest country. There's certainly a lot of different plywood Mills, and a lot of different people making plywood. Despite anything that some racist might say, any sensible person knows that there's absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they are Chinese that means they necessarily produce crap plywood. A Chinese mill has just as much potential and capability to make good plywood as a Canadian one does. Maybe even more because I got to tell you, the Canadian Mills are putting out some crap these days too!

Anyways, all I'm saying is that I can understand why some guys would be willing to paint an entire country with the same brush, despite how illogical that is, simply because they have had so much experience to confirm that. So I totally understand that. Like I'm serious, I will simply never buy Chinese plywood. You will never be able to convince me to do that.

But on the other hand, I would challenge anyone to show me an exception to my experience. Come and show me some good Chinese plywood. My buddies project splintered and warped like crap! Come show me an example of how I'm wrong, and we will be having a different conversation.

I'm not denying that some guys have had bad experiences, and certainly the gun in the op has some serious blowback problems. But I'm also standing right here with a Turkish revolver shotgun that is working just great, has done so for a few years now, and has given me no problems whatsoever. For the five or $600 I paid for it, it owes me absolutely nothing, and it's certainly more than good enough for the price. You really can't deny my experience either.

So you got the Chinese board that's straight...great. Good for you. Anyhow, back to Turkish guns are sh1t thread.

Such a racist. lol.

 

[Denver Steve]

My ATA turqua rifle, they newer version, that's the same as the Stevens rifle, other that the open sights. Is a absolutely amazing rifle.

It cost me $400. Has a nice wood, even free floating when flexed stock. Not many cheap guns can do that. The trigger is around 3lbs, and it shoots extremely good. It's chambered in 308, and I have only used 168~ grain bullets in it thus far. But it hasn't shot a five shot group over a inch yet. Including the hundred rounds I burnt through it to break it in. With a random load with a random powder I had lots of.

So far it's been perfect, and I hope it likes the 190 grain accubond long range bullets, and the Barnes 120 grain tac-tx. Because that's what I plan on running through it for hunting with.

 

[Thunderhog]

My ATA turqua rifle, they newer version, that's the same as the Stevens rifle, other that the open sights. Is a absolutely amazing rifle.

It cost me $400. Has a nice wood, even free floating when flexed stock. Not many cheap guns can do that. The trigger is around 3lbs, and it shoots extremely good. It's chambered in 308, and I have only used 168~ grain bullets in it thus far. But it hasn't shot a five shot group over a inch yet. Including the hundred rounds I burnt through it to break it in. With a random load with a random powder I had lots of.

So far it's been perfect, and I hope it likes the 190 grain accubond long range bullets, and the Barnes 120 grain tac-tx. Because that's what I plan on running through it for hunting with.

The ATA Turqua rifles are of a very good quality, and are tack drivers. Savage Stevens Model 334 is an ATA Turqua rifle.

The quality of a Turqua bolt action rifle and a Turkish revolver 410 shotgun are night and day.

ATA also makes shotguns, their design & quality is also very good......


https://savagearms.com/firearms/sku/18838

 

[Thunderhog]

There are two ports on the receiver that are combined with the ports on the shield, it creates a chanel and directs the gas forward.
The perimeter groves on the shield meet with the raised area on the front end of the cylinder creating a decent seal as well, so majority of the the gas gets pushed forward through the chanel.
Now, in the video, he has a custom block screwed in instead of the shield, probably blocking the chanel, so all extra gas is pushed through the cylinder gap in to the hand.
When I was shopping around for mine, I saw some people complaining that the shields would brake off while shooting. So i figured its due to light weight aluminum receivers where threads wouldnt hold up to the preasure, with those short bolts. So I opted for "mid size steel receiver" option ftom TI. Hope this one will hold up better.
So far I only test fired it, and it didn't feel unpleasant at all.

Did you do those interesting designs on the wood yourself?....

Are they burned in with some kind of branding iron?

They look real nice......

 

[Denver Steve]

I also have a fairly old now, made in Turkey shotgun. An Akkar pump action, 12 gauge with a 3.5" chamber. It's seen thousands of rounds, and has never been cleaned, and has never let me down.

Full 3.5" goose loads with the just over 5lb shotgun is pretty brutal though...I much prefer the heavy 3" loads.

I know they aren't really comparable to alot of newer things coming out of there. But my experience with the two things I have from Turkey has been good.

 

[Thunderhog]

I also have a fairly old now, made in Turkey shotgun. An Akkar pump action, 12 gauge with a 3.5" chamber. It's seen thousands of rounds, and has never been cleaned, and has never let me down.

Full 3.5" goose loads with the just over 5lb shotgun is pretty brutal though...I much prefer the heavy 3" loads.

I know they aren't really comparable to alot of newer things coming out of there. But my experience with the two things I have from Turkey has been good.

Oddly enough I have two Turkish made Akkar shotguns that are also of good design and quality....

I'm not sure why these revolver design 410 shotguns are so poorly designed and made.....

Turkey can make some nice firearms if they care to. The ATA Turqua you spoke of earlier and your Akkar Shotgun are two good examples.

I wish I had the answer as to why the revolver-type designs are so poorly constructed. But I don't....

I do know, and for obvious reasons, I would never stand behind or beside one, when the trigger is being pulled.....

Once burned, twice shy for me......

 

[Dexter Morgan]

"Because mine blew up!....
I'm trying to help others before they get injured or killed."

I don't care if your particular gun blew up.
You made a claim that the gun has a design flaw that causes it to explode.

Yet you can't back up this statement with any details about the design that would cause it to explode.
If you want to be taken seriously, then you'll need to do better.

(Hint; Being made in Turkey is not a design, much less a design flaw.)

 

[Dmitri]

Did you do those interesting designs on the wood yourself?....

Are they burned in with some kind of branding iron?

They look real nice......

Thanks. Yes, I used a laser engraver..

 

[Thunderhog]

I don't care if your particular gun blew up.
You made a claim that the gun has a design flaw that causes it to explode.

Yet you can't back up this statement with any details about the design that would cause it to explode.
If you want to be taken seriously, then you'll need to do better.

(Hint; Being made in Turkey is not a design, much less a design flaw.)

Well you just made my ignore list, say hello to Joel and Suther while you are there.....

You are obviously a shill and a troll!.....

Great to hear you have no sense of empathy to those people whose shotguns blew up....

 

[riversrest]

I don't care if your particular gun blew up.
You made a claim that the gun has a design flaw that causes it to explode.

Yet you can't back up this statement with any details about the design that would cause it to explode.
If you want to be taken seriously, then you'll need to do better.

(Hint; Being made in Turkey is not a design, much less a design flaw.)

Maybe someone has been playing with some rounds/shells/reloads which shouldn't have been fired in the specific gun ? Or it was a lemon ?

Was there a report to the retailer/manufacturer to point out the "blowing up" ? Was there DIY modifications to the gun... aso...

We don't have all the information !

 

[riversrest]

Oh, btw

Wasn't the former Marstar guy on here (CGN) bolding all his comments, too ? Maybe ?

But there wasn't any Smilies then, so I might be wrong...

 

[Thunderhog]

Maybe someone has been playing with some rounds/shells/reloads which shouldn't have been fired in the specific gun ? Or it was a lemon ?

Was there a report to the retailer/manufacturer to point out the "blowing up" ? Was there DIY modifications to the gun... aso...

We don't have all the information !

Riversrest,

If you are referring to my shotgun that blew up, then no.

I was firing factory Winchester 3" 410 shotgun ammunition. It was #6 bird shot....

Apparently it was a lemon, I'm not sure why it exploded.... No modifications, I believe only fired 15 rounds or so, I don't remember exactly.....

Yes I reported this to the dealer I bought it from, and they refunded all my money with some dialogue.... I do not know if they reported this event to the Turkish Manufacturer of Canuck Arms.

 

[Thunderhog]

Oh, btw

Wasn't the former Marstar guy on here (CGN) bolding all his comments, too ? Maybe ?

But there wasn't any Smilies then, so I might be wrong...

I'm not from Marstar or affiliated with them.....

I bold my statements as it makes them easier to see for the reader, and me.

I never realized bolding my lines would create so much butt-hurt on Gunnutz!..... LOL

And I use emojis so people can see and understand my tone..... I absolutely love emoji's...

 

[Thunderhog]

Maybe someone has been playing with some rounds/shells/reloads which shouldn't have been fired in the specific gun ? Or it was a lemon ?

Was there a report to the retailer/manufacturer to point out the "blowing up" ? Was there DIY modifications to the gun... aso...

We don't have all the information !

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/ege-arms-rv-tac-410-9-5″-tactical-revolver-shotgun-first-impressions-updates-and-warnings.2568289/page-2#post-21186103

Now you have all the information!......

 

[riversrest]

Maybe you had a loose screw

I'm not from Marstar or affiliated with them.....

I bold my statements as it makes them easier to see for the reader, and me.

Really, and yet you reply to posts which are not written in bold ? I assume you can read it ?

 

[Thunderhog]

Maybe you had a loose screw

Really, and yet you reply to posts which are not written in bold ? I assume you can read it ?

No, I check all the screws on every new gun I buy......

It wasn't that.

Yes I can read the light colored posts, but not as well as a bolded post....

I'm sorry you and others take offence to my bolded posts.......

 

[riversrest]

^^ Well, You shot the factory Winchester ammo when it "blew up/out?. Nobody knows what you shot before out of it.

Maybe it was a factory ammo issue ?

I'm sure you have documented it all. Together with the hull you extracted after escaping this "almost deadly" incident ?

 

[Thunderhog]

^^ Well, You shot the factory Winchester ammo when it "blew up/out?. Nobody knows what you shot before out of it.

Maybe it was a factory ammo issue ?

I'm sure you have documented it all. Together with the hull you extracted after escaping this "almost deadly" incident ?

Yes only factory ammo. No other ammo fired, no reloaded ammo, I don't reload 410 ammo.....

Was not an ammo issue. I still fire the same lot of 3" number six shot factory Winchester ammo in several 410 shotguns, never an issue...

And these rounds do not cook the entire hull, making it look like it was placed in an oven.....

I sent all the cooked 410 fired hulls back to the dealer that sent me the gun in the first place. And yes, I documented the incident very well....

Any other questions?

You obviously don't believe my story, and that's okay....

However, I'm not here to appease you my friend.....

If I'm wrong, my apologies....

 

[riversrest]

Ride on, T/Dog.

Your're right. I don't believe a word you say.

 

[serg777]

Yes only factory ammo. No other ammo fired, no reloaded ammo, I don't reload 410 ammo.....

Was not an ammo issue. I still fire the same lot of 3" number six shot factory Winchester ammo in several 410 shotguns, never an issue...

And these rounds do not cook the entire hull, making it look like it was placed in an oven.....

I sent all the cooked 410 fired hulls back to the dealer that sent me the gun in the first place. And yes, I documented the incident very well....

Any other questions?

You obviously don't believe my story, and that's okay....

However, I'm not here to appease you my friend.....

If I'm wrong, my apologies....

Indexing issue, especially in DA mode. Or simply the cyl was nor fully latched, that’s why it swung out. Dirt or lack of oil? Obstruction in the barrel from previous shot is another possibility.

As a pease of mind, I mostly shoot revolvers in SA mode, double-check the cyl proper latching and listen to every shot sound for a possible squib. Turkish or not - revolvers are more dangerous if something is not right. So it could be mechanical issue or ammo. Or ignorant shooter, who in some cases might but failed to prevent the situation.