James Reeves 410 revolver burn down.

serg777 said:
Indexing issue, especially in DA mode. Or simply the cyl was nor fully latched, that’s why it swung out. Dirt or lack of oil? Obstruction in the barrel from previous shot is another possibility.

As a pease of mind, I mostly shoot revolvers in SA mode, double-check the cyl proper latching and listen to every shot sound for a possible squib. Turkish or not - revolvers are more dangerous if something is not right. So it could be mechanical issue or ammo. Or ignorant shooter, who in some cases might but failed to prevent the situation.
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There was no indexing issue, the cylinder was fully closed and latched, and I had cocked the hammer single action to shoot the round that blew up the shotgun. The firearm was cleaned by me when I received it and before firing. No dirt, gun oil applied to the finish for rust protection and was wiped off with a cotton rag. Like i do on all my firearms. All the 3" 410 hulls seemed to cook upon firing just like the afore mentioned incident that member thegazelle had experienced. When I brought this to the dealers attention, they stated it wasn't a huge concern. So I kept using the shotgun. Keep in mind it blew up in approximately 15 rounds or less. I don't remember the exact round count, however it was very low........:(

There was no obstruction in the barrel, all the bird-shot and wad flew out the barrel....:)

I do the same as you when I'm shooting revolvers. Ammunition was fine, works in every other firearm....:)

For the record, I am a certified S&W Armorer, was an assistant firearms instructor for law enforcement and armored car guards....:)

No ignorance on my part when shooting this shotgun. It just failed mechanically as these shotguns are not designed properly to discharge 3" 410 ammunition, and are just junk, period.

I find it comical that some think this was my fault. :oops:

The only thing that would have prevented this from happening would have been if I never bought the piece of sh!t to begin with.....:)

Dealer Bad Boy Beason also made a statement on how poorly designed these shotguns are, and that a few guns had blown up with some even being injured. In my opinion they should be banned, and not allowed to be sold in Canada. They are dangerous, I found out the hard way.....:(
 
Thunderhog said:
There was no indexing issue, the cylinder was fully closed and latched, and I had cocked the hammer single action to shoot the round that blew up the shotgun. The firearm was cleaned by me when I received it and before firing. No dirt, gun oil applied to the finish for rust protection and was wiped off with a cotton rag. Like i do on all my firearms. All the 3" 410 hulls seemed to cook upon firing just like the afore mentioned incident that member thegazelle had experienced. When I brought this to the dealers attention, they stated it wasn't a huge concern. So I kept using the shotgun. Keep in mind it blew up in approximately 15 rounds or less. I don't remember the exact round count, however it was very low........:(

There was no obstruction in the barrel, all the bird-shot and wad flew out the barrel....:)

I do the same as you when I'm shooting revolvers. Ammunition was fine, works in every other firearm....:)

For the record, I am a certified S&W Armorer, was an assistant firearms instructor for law enforcement and armored car guards....:)

No ignorance on my part when shooting this shotgun. It just failed mechanically as these shotguns are not designed properly to discharge 3" 410 ammunition, and are just junk, period.

I find it comical that some think this was my fault. :oops:

The only thing that would have prevented this from happening would have been if I never bought the piece of sh!t to begin with.....:)

Dealer Bad Boy Beason also made a statement on how poorly designed these shotguns are, and that a few guns had blown up with some even being injured. In my opinion they should be banned, and not allowed to be sold in Canada. They are dangerous, I found out the hard way.....:(
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You do know that bold text in a post indicates yelling right? And honestly, I think the problem people have with what your saying is that you are so adamant that the gun is just plain garbage as a whole. Yet, there are numerous people here who have had opposite experiences to yours. Their experiences are every bit as valid as yours. Im not doubting what happened to you. Buy when you keep calling people stupid for not accepting your experience as inevitable, people stop respecting what your saying. Youve called multiple people stupid in this thread alone.
But heres the truth of the situation. There are all kinds of guns out there that have blow up on people. For all kinds of reasons. It takes more than one or two reports of that to officially classify a gun as wholesale "junk". I would also say that your experience doesnt actually constitute a "blow up" . A part fastened on by a screw blew off the gun, but the neither the chamber nor the barrel actually blew apart. Im not suggesting the situation wasnt dangerous as I can absolutely see that it was and im honestly very glad you werent hurt. On top of that, I applaud your efforts to inform people of what you perceive to be a potential danger. Thats just being a good person so good for you. Sincerely. But you need to realize that there are people with %100 positive experiences with these same guns after hundreds of rounds (or more)... the fact that yours failed in only 15 rounds suggests a manufacturing flaw in YOUR gun. Not in the design as a whole. There is no such thing as a manufactured product that has a ZERO percent failure rate. Sounds like you may have got a lemon. I understand that people on this thread have mentioned other reports of problems with this gun (aside from just the blow back of gasses) but im curious why no one else has commented here, or on your other thread who have PERSONALLY had a failure. Youre the only one.

Im not trying to prove anything here. Im just trying to point out that there are 2 sides to this debate and both ARE, in fact, reasonable.
 
Thunderhog said:
There was no indexing issue, the cylinder was fully closed and latched, and I had cocked the hammer single action to shoot the round that blew up the shotgun. The firearm was cleaned by me when I received it and before firing. No dirt, gun oil applied to the finish for rust protection and was wiped off with a cotton rag. Like i do on all my firearms. All the 3" 410 hulls seemed to cook upon firing just like the afore mentioned incident that member thegazelle had experienced. When I brought this to the dealers attention, they stated it wasn't a huge concern. So I kept using the shotgun. Keep in mind it blew up in approximately 15 rounds or less. I don't remember the exact round count, however it was very low........:(

There was no obstruction in the barrel, all the bird-shot and wad flew out the barrel....:)

I do the same as you when I'm shooting revolvers. Ammunition was fine, works in every other firearm....:)

For the record, I am a certified S&W Armorer, was an assistant firearms instructor for law enforcement and armored car guards....:)

No ignorance on my part when shooting this shotgun. It just failed mechanically as these shotguns are not designed properly to discharge 3" 410 ammunition, and are just junk, period.

I find it comical that some think this was my fault. :oops:

The only thing that would have prevented this from happening would have been if I never bought the piece of sh!t to begin with.....:)

Dealer Bad Boy Beason also made a statement on how poorly designed these shotguns are, and that a few guns had blown up with some even being injured. In my opinion they should be banned, and not allowed to be sold in Canada. They are dangerous, I found out the hard way.....:(
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Since you mentioned you’re a certified S&W armorer, the question comes: did you test whether the firing pin can technically be struck when the cylinder is a little bit out of index or not fully latched? It seems possible that one of those conditions occurred. The blown away gas shield could be a consequence rather than the root cause. I believe there's nothing inherently wrong with shield itself, as it isn’t designed to withstand gas beyond what escapes through the cylinder gap in normal conditions.

Anyone here who has this gun, if you know what I mean, can you try? It will be a huge thing, if this gun does not have those safety mechanisms, which most modern revolvers normally have. The other thing - bad tolerances which may result in the same effect.
 
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You do know that bold text in a post indicates yelling right? And honestly, I think the problem people have with what your saying is that you are so adamant that the gun is just plain garbage as a whole. Yet, there are numerous people here who have had opposite experiences to yours. Their experiences are every bit as valid as yours. Im not doubting what happened to you. Buy when you keep calling people stupid for not accepting your experience as inevitable, people stop respecting what your saying. Youve called multiple people stupid in this thread alone.
But heres the truth of the situation. There are all kinds of guns out there that have blow up on people. For all kinds of reasons. It takes more than one or two reports of that to officially classify a gun as wholesale "junk". I would also say that your experience doesnt actually constitute a "blow up" . A part fastened on by a screw blew off the gun, but the neither the chamber nor the barrel actually blew apart. Im not suggesting the situation wasnt dangerous as I can absolutely see that it was and im honestly very glad you werent hurt. On top of that, I applaud your efforts to inform people of what you perceive to be a potential danger. Thats just being a good person so good for you. Sincerely. But you need to realize that there are people with %100 positive experiences with these same guns after hundreds of rounds (or more)... the fact that yours failed in only 15 rounds suggests a manufacturing flaw in YOUR gun. Not in the design as a whole. There is no such thing as a manufactured product that has a ZERO percent failure rate. Sounds like you may have got a lemon. I understand that people on this thread have mentioned other reports of problems with this gun (aside from just the blow back of gasses) but im curious why no one else has commented here, or on your other thread who have PERSONALLY had a failure. Youre the only one.

Im not trying to prove anything here. Im just trying to point out that there are 2 sides to this debate and both ARE, in fact, reasonable.
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Actually bolding a text is not yelling, nice try!.....:)

THIS IS YELLING!.....:):ROFLMAO:

It's a shame you and others are so butt-hurt by me bolding my tests. I've explained several times now why I do this....:)

Too many snow-flakes on Gunnutz now I'm afraid......:)

Oh no, I probably just offended more snow-flakes........:ROFLMAO:

Snow-Flake Police inbound in 3:2:1:.............:ROFLMAO:🚔👮‍♂️👮‍♂️👮‍♂️🚔:ROFLMAO:
 
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serg777 said:
Since you mentioned you’re a certified S&W armorer, the question comes: did you test whether the firing pin can technically be struck when the cylinder is a little bit out of index or not fully latched? It seems possible that one of those conditions occurred. The blown away gas shield could be a consequence rather than the root cause. I believe there's nothing inherently wrong with shield itself, as it isn’t designed to withstand gas beyond what escapes through the cylinder gap in normal conditions.

Anyone here who has this gun, if you know what I mean, can you try? It will be a huge thing, if this gun does not have those safety mechanisms, which most modern revolvers normally have. The other thing - bad tolerances which may result in the same effect.
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No I did not, and why would I?.....:(

I didn't know there was a problem until it blew up. I then sent it back for a full refund....:)

And your right, bad tolerances on a poorly made and designed shotgun resulted in a failure.....:(

Not just my firearm, but others as well as reported by Dealer Bad Boy Beason.....:(
 
Thunderhog said:
No I did not, and why would I?.....:(

I didn't know there was a problem until it blew up. I then sent it back for a full refund....:)
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:)It reminds me this:

A car scrap yard, which I visit sometimes to pull a part, often shows a sad picture: a great looking car with a blown engine.

The most popular story heard from ex-owner:

Step 1: Don’t check oil and coolant
Step 2: Ignore weird noises
Step 3: Turn loud music up
Step 4: Rev the engine
Step 5: “Why did it blow?... No I did not”

Most mechanical failures show some obvious warning signs of ongoing problem before things eventually brake apart.

I'm wondering, if the given incident could be prevented by examining the gun for a proper functioning before using it first time. It seems like first world approach ("it's new, why would I?") - may not always work for third world build quality. If that was really the case.
 
serg777 said:
:)It reminds me this:

A car scrap yard, which I visit sometimes to pull a part, often shows a sad picture: a great looking car with a blown engine.

The most popular story heard from ex-owner:

Step 1: Don’t check oil and coolant
Step 2: Ignore weird noises
Step 3: Turn loud music up
Step 4: Rev the engine
Step 5: “Why did it blow?... No I did not”

Most mechanical failures show some obvious warning signs of ongoing problem before things eventually brake apart.

I'm wondering, if the given incident could be prevented by examining the gun for a proper functioning before using it first time. It seems like first world approach ("it's new, why would I?") - may not always work for third world build quality. If that was really the case.
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Oh my gosh, you really are an @ss aren't you?....:(

Well for your information, I cleaned and checked the gun out. It appeared to function, c@ck, dryfire, and was okay to load and shoot in my opinion and experience!.....:)

So it failed because it's of poor design and quality. Others too have failed, blown up, and actually hurt people...:(

But according to you, it's my fault?....:(

I'm certain it's my fault those guns blew up and hurt people as well.....:(
 
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Thunderhog said:
So it failed because it's of poor design and quality. Others too have failed, blown up, and actually hurt people...:(
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How do you know it was a poor design? You said you did not bother to determine the root cause after the incident and all you cared about - is just sending it back for a quick refund.

As a gun enthusiast, I would be very curious to examine the failed gun and perhaps learn something interesting before sending it back. Or may be asking the store what were their findings after they received and inspected the gun. Likely, they did not bother either.

Hope your gun makes its way back to factory and next version would address the issue, if so. That's how they usually do - test it on users. Not much money and time to test in the lab, unlike military grade guns.

Honestly, I'm looking for detailed info and plausible reviews about this platform. I really do consider 45LC rifle model myself. Your experience is definitely a warning sign for me and thank you for all your inputs. But unfortunately, from all this treads I cannot gather what was exactly the issue and it seems you can't answer it either, besides it just blew for some unknown reason.

I mean I can make all my guns to blow if I wish it. That would be my fault. Like someone said before - it can happen to any gun. The real question - WHY?
 
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