James Reeves 410 revolver burn down.

There are two ports on the receiver that are combined with the ports on the shield, it creates a chanel and directs the gas forward.
The perimeter groves on the shield meet with the raised area on the front end of the cylinder creating a decent seal as well, so majority of the the gas gets pushed forward through the chanel.
Now, in the video, he has a custom block screwed in instead of the shield, probably blocking the chanel, so all extra gas is pushed through the cylinder gap in to the hand. :(
When I was shopping around for mine, I saw some people complaining that the shields would brake off while shooting. So i figured its due to light weight aluminum receivers where threads wouldnt hold up to the preasure, with those short bolts. So I opted for "mid size steel receiver" option ftom TI. Hope this one will hold up better.
So far I only test fired it, and it didn't feel unpleasant at all.
 

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I find his reviews honest and hilarious. Turkish shotguns are all junk according to James, because they all fail the simplest of asks...all of them. Doesn't matter what they call them, doesn't matter where in Turkey that they're made, when put to the same test that a $200 Maverick 88 sails through, they all fail, and miserably so.
The safety lever comments here are particularly funny. As usual, James hits the nail on the head that the safety is not intuitive, not marked, and as$ backwards in mentality to anyone who's ever handled a shotgun. To make a "safety" more difficult to deactivate = to a bird gone...it's supposed to be a shotgun.
I enjoy his reviews too
The Turkish guns would prob fair better if they had better QC and used better steel and aluminum on them, that’s my biggest complaint with all of them
One thing James does with his burndowns I noticed is he does them out of the box without cleaning the preservatives off the guns or re oils them with proper oils
He has oiled some during the tests when they got sticky but he should clean and oil them properly beforehand, especially the semi auto ones
I agree with him 100% on the safety on the revolvers they are backwards I accidentally put mine on safe sometimes because I bump that stupid rocker switch then the gun doesn’t fire
I have a few Mossburg 590 shotguns and ya they are better then the Turk pumps that’s for sure
 
So, off the top, i've used an SR410 for a couple seasons now for grouse. Love it, have no complaints.

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Before i watched the video, i was assuming this was going to be an agree to disagree kind of thing. I happen to think mine is a decent little gun for the price point, this guy doesn't. Big deal, that's life, right?

But that video just annoyed me.

Let's do a real time run down:

0:22. Ok, i get it: it's a foreign name that he can't pronounce. Foreign doesn't necessarily mean inferior. German engineering, for example, is foreign. But that's the inference he's going for: this is a stupid gun made by stupid foreigners who talk stupid. It's a common joke,. I remember another joke when i was in germany: if someone who speaks 3 languages is trilingual and someone who speaks 2 languages is bilingual, what do you call someone who speaks only 1 language? ....... An american!
Point is: when you are the one who can't pronounce another language, you are not making them look dumb, you are just showing that you are ignorant.

0:40. "some people think it looks cool". It does. Prove me wrong.

0:43. Misssippi is retarded, i'll grant him that.

0:53. "probably a piece of sh!t". See, this is where he loses his credibility, and not just because he's given away his bias, that he's made up his mind before even looking at it. No, the big give away is the extremes: people get stuck in this either-or BS that something is either the best or it's total POS. All that shows is that you have a simplistic sense of judgement. There is such a thing as mid grade. There is such a thing as good enough. Good for the price point. Good enough for my needs.

0:58-1:00 complaning that the cylinder is going to take an eternity to load - "do they make speed loaders?". It literally took him 2 seconds, watch the time stamp! Tell this whining baby to put his purse down and he could probably load it faster.

1:40-2:15. The safety. Mine just has a half-cocked safety. His has a lever toggle switch where one side of the switch is big and the other is small. he's complaining because he assumed you would press the big side in to go hot and the small side in to go safe, but in fact it is the opposite. There is much whining about this. I don't unerstand why. To me it's common sense that it should be easier to make the gun safe and harder to accidentally make it hot. The big side is easier to press, the small side is harder, so the turks have made it the common sense way, and maybe this guy is just from mississippi...


2:15 - 3:10. He points out that the cylinder doesn't quite clear the receiver for ejecting shells, which i agree is bad design. Mine doesn't do that - maybe it's possible that in an entire country more than twice as big as canada by pop, maybe, just maybe, there are multiple manufacturing sectors with a whole spectrum of quality? Is it possible that a country that big could have both decent companies and bad ones? Possibly, but wouldn't that mean we couldn't just tar all turkish guns with the same brush?

He also complains about a lot of blow back and demonstrates it pretty effectively with some dry grass being blown back. That looks bad, i agree. But like i said, mine sure doesn't do that. Maybe i'll get it out today and find some dry grass of my own to show you.

3:10-5:00 ryan from mississippi shows up and together they whine about the blow back for almost 2 solid minutes.

5:00-6:33 he actually gives a bit more balanced evaluation here. He points out the gun's good features: how it runs smooth, no binding, trigger feels good, wood stock looks nice, sights and optic mount are good, but his main problem is the blow back, which he points out actually gave him a bleeding rash on his forearm, and on that basis he can't recommend this gun.

I don't blame him. With that kind of blow back, i wouldn't recommend it either.

My problem is that he's talks about this as if it's a reflection of all turkish guns, rather than only a reflection of that one manufacturer who made that particular gun. To me, that makes about as much sense as talking like american handguns are prone to misfires after testing a p320. Like i said, my turkish made sr410 has given me no such problems over several seasons now.
Reputations are often earned. Handle a Turkish pump and then handle a 590A1. Handle an M4 clone then handle the real Benelli. The fact of the matter is the quality with Turkish firearms is CONSISTENTLY leagues below what literally every other country that has a decent firearms industry is capable of.

I’m not a huge fan of James Reeves, I find most gun focused YouTubers to be pandering to the ADHD crowd. But this dude has more experience with Turkish shotguns than just about anybody else. Except maybe the goofs on the Canada guns Reddit page.. echochamber that is.

The more people we have in this community that run PR for these objectively bad firearms = the more poorly designed corner cutting firearms that get brought in. You, I, and everybody else in this community should be expecting FAR higher quality.

If you want to see what I mean go look at the Crusader Arms backlander thread. 20 pages of fellas convincing themselves the $2000 they dropped on some rushed hack job was worth it.

Don’t be sad. Turkish firearms are junk. So were Kodiak WK180s. Remember when the Crusader Arms .308 rifles were blowing up in peoples faces?

Some of you need to demand much fckin more than what we’re getting quality-wise in this market. The low standards of the few should not become the low standards of the many.
 
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And the LOP is way too short for us to shoulder properly.
According to Tactical Imports that is a very popular design feature and not a refusal to bring in something a ton of people clearly want over the goofy youth style stock...
Actually STUPID is not harsh at all......:)

Doing something stupid and dangerous, when there is a chance of injury, and/or death, is very stupid.......:(

My Dad, (rest his soul) used to say, "a wise man learns from his mistakes, a wiser man learns from the other guys mistakes"!.....:)

So these shotgun owners have been advised and shown what this gun can do. Has there been several confirmed accidents? Yes!

If one continues to expose themselves, or worse, their loved ones to possible danger, it is definitely stupid.

Sugar coat it all you like, one cannot fix stupid!.......:(:oops:
You may have read what I wrote but you clearly did not understand what was said. Yes, if someone buys one with prior warning and has issues, that is a case of stupid. If he buys one on a whim because the market is currently #### and options are limited then he just did a thing. There is a big difference there, at least to myself.

Revolver rifles and shotguns never took off for a reason. Mainly that they have a lot of drawbacks. Couple the design weaknesses with poor execution by importers allowing cut corners... Piss poor product.
 
According to Tactical Imports that is a very popular design feature and not a refusal to bring in something a ton of people clearly want over the goofy youth style stock...

You may have read what I wrote but you clearly did not understand what was said. Yes, if someone buys one with prior warning and has issues, that is a case of stupid. If he buys one on a whim because the market is currently #### and options are limited then he just did a thing. There is a big difference there, at least to myself.

Revolver rifles and shotguns never took off for a reason. Mainly that they have a lot of drawbacks. Couple the design weaknesses with poor execution by importers allowing cut corners... Piss poor product.
I agree, if the revolving rifles and shotguns were viable, everyone would be building them. Presently here, they are a knee-jurk reaction to our gun laws. They are relativly cheap (price and quality) that too many are being sold.
 
You may have read what I wrote but you clearly did not understand what was said. Yes, if someone buys one with prior warning and has issues, that is a case of stupid. If he buys one on a whim because the market is currently #### and options are limited then he just did a thing. There is a big difference there, at least to myself.
I agree with what you said in regards to the folks that had no clue before buying these garbage shotguns. However, the ones that already own them and continue to shoot them is in fact stupid.

And they will defend this practice because their guns are apparently special and they believe they will not blow up......:ROFLMAO::oops::(

This arrogant attitude is in fact stupid and dangerous.

I originally posted a thread about my shotgun blowing up approximately seven years ago. At that time no one was interested or took note. Now seven years later I post the same thing and some folks are saying WOW!

I can advise and warn those who want to listen, the stupid ones will never get it. Well until it happens to them of course!........:(
 
I agree, if the revolving rifles and shotguns were viable, everyone would be building them. Presently here, they are a knee-jurk reaction to our gun laws. They are relativly cheap (price and quality) that too many are being sold.
Unfortunately many Turkish companies are building these ticking time bombs. They are rebranded at several of the Turkish factories with 15-20 different names.

Put lip-stick on a pig, it's still a pig.:ROFLMAO:

I'm not sure what our ridiculous gun laws have to do with a revolver 410 shotgun? One can legally buy a 410 shotgun in an over/under, side by side, semi-auto, bolt action, or a single shot breech break-open model.....:)

Now they are making the same garbage design in a 45 Colt. And I've seen requests here on Gunnutz for the same design in 38 special/357 magnum.....:(

I guess it will take someone being killed before this design is banned from entering Canada......:( Dealer Bad Boy Beason has already publicly stated these guns should be banned in Canada due to their poor and dangerous design.

The dealers who bring these into Canada, and knowingly sell them to customers for profit, should be flogged!....:(

Any dealer selling these who know of the poor design and possibility of an explosion causing injury or death should be ashamed of themselves. I'm well aware which dealers sell them. However I will not call them out.
 
I agree, if the revolving rifles and shotguns were viable, everyone would be building them. Presently here, they are a knee-jurk reaction to our gun laws. They are relativly cheap (price and quality) that too many are being sold.
I must admit, I'd rather have bought her a Ruger GP100 than the SR-410. But alas - Canada.....
 
"Now they are making the same garbage design in a 45 Colt. And I've seen requests here on Gunnutz for the same design in 38 special/357 magnum...."

Explain to me why a .357-Magnum revolver (regardless of barrel length or having a stock attached) would just blow up?

Would it blow up if Smith & Wesson made it?
 
On the one hand I can understand a lot of the posts here. I'm a cabinet maker, and I remember last year A friend of mine wanted to make his wife some bookshelves and he asked for my help. I told him he could use some good Maple plywood out of my stock and just reimburse me for the cost. Well, he got here the next day and told me he was thinking of using this birch plywood that he found at Rona instead, because their retail price was still like half of my at cost price for the good Maple ply that I had.

I explained to him that the birch plywood he was looking at was from China, and I told him that I'd seen more than a lifetime of cheap Chinese plywood And I would never use it at all, not even for someone I didn't like, or even a wife, because there's absolutely no reason to make your project out of crap and to make your life more frustrating in the process. I told him how the veneer was thin crap, the core was crap, it would splinter, it would be full of voids, and it would warp like no get out.

But he was looking to save some money, so he went with the Chinese Birch, and sure enough it was total crap and his project ended up crap.

I think about that because China is a pretty big country, some people might say it's even the biggest country. There's certainly a lot of different plywood Mills, and a lot of different people making plywood. Despite anything that some racist might say, any sensible person knows that there's absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they are Chinese that means they necessarily produce crap plywood. A Chinese mill has just as much potential and capability to make good plywood as a Canadian one does. Maybe even more because I got to tell you, the Canadian Mills are putting out some crap these days too!

Anyways, all I'm saying is that I can understand why some guys would be willing to paint an entire country with the same brush, despite how illogical that is, simply because they have had so much experience to confirm that. So I totally understand that. Like I'm serious, I will simply never buy Chinese plywood. You will never be able to convince me to do that.

But on the other hand, I would challenge anyone to show me an exception to my experience. Come and show me some good Chinese plywood. My buddies project splintered and warped like crap! Come show me an example of how I'm wrong, and we will be having a different conversation.

I'm not denying that some guys have had bad experiences, and certainly the gun in the op has some serious blowback problems. But I'm also standing right here with a Turkish revolver shotgun that is working just great, has done so for a few years now, and has given me no problems whatsoever. For the five or $600 I paid for it, it owes me absolutely nothing, and it's certainly more than good enough for the price. You really can't deny my experience either.
 
I'm asking you, because you said it. You said the design is guaranteed to blow up.

So if you're so bright; Tell me why the design will blow up?
Because mine blew up!....:(

I'm trying to help others before they get injured or killed.

Read my link, read what happened to me. Had it not been winter, had I not been wearing gloves, a winter coat, and eye protection, my outcome would have been extremely different.

Take my warning with a grain of salt, it's up to you.....:)
 
These shotguns are absolute garbage!…..:(

I had one blow up in my face. Stay away from these ticking time bombs…

These shotguns are absolute garbage!…..:(

I had one blow up in my face. Stay away from these ticking time bombs…:(

TFB reviews are very one sided when it comes to Turkish shotguns
He has never had an actual good reviews on any of them, they are all garbage according to him
I think the short barreled versions have less blowback due to the shorter barrel
I have the micro 410 and the 12 inch barreled one and the blowback is considerably less on the micro
Are you liking the micro one. I want to pick up the micro one in 45 when it drops
 
On the one hand I can understand a lot of the posts here. I'm a cabinet maker, and I remember last year A friend of mine wanted to make his wife some bookshelves and he asked for my help. I told him he could use some good Maple plywood out of my stock and just reimburse me for the cost. Well, he got here the next day and told me he was thinking of using this birch plywood that he found at Rona instead, because their retail price was still like half of my at cost price for the good Maple ply that I had.

I explained to him that the birch plywood he was looking at was from China, and I told him that I'd seen more than a lifetime of cheap Chinese plywood And I would never use it at all, not even for someone I didn't like, or even a wife, because there's absolutely no reason to make your project out of crap and to make your life more frustrating in the process. I told him how the veneer was thin crap, the core was crap, it would splinter, it would be full of voids, and it would warp like no get out.

But he was looking to save some money, so he went with the Chinese Birch, and sure enough it was total crap and his project ended up crap.

I think about that because China is a pretty big country, some people might say it's even the biggest country. There's certainly a lot of different plywood Mills, and a lot of different people making plywood. Despite anything that some racist might say, any sensible person knows that there's absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they are Chinese that means they necessarily produce crap plywood. A Chinese mill has just as much potential and capability to make good plywood as a Canadian one does. Maybe even more because I got to tell you, the Canadian Mills are putting out some crap these days too!

Anyways, all I'm saying is that I can understand why some guys would be willing to paint an entire country with the same brush, despite how illogical that is, simply because they have had so much experience to confirm that. So I totally understand that. Like I'm serious, I will simply never buy Chinese plywood. You will never be able to convince me to do that.

But on the other hand, I would challenge anyone to show me an exception to my experience. Come and show me some good Chinese plywood. My buddies project splintered and warped like crap! Come show me an example of how I'm wrong, and we will be having a different conversation.

I'm not denying that some guys have had bad experiences, and certainly the gun in the op has some serious blowback problems. But I'm also standing right here with a Turkish revolver shotgun that is working just great, has done so for a few years now, and has given me no problems whatsoever. For the five or $600 I paid for it, it owes me absolutely nothing, and it's certainly more than good enough for the price. You really can't deny my experience either.
Every rule has an exception. I took one of these to the range once with my buddy. He returned it the very next day. Thing wouldn’t eject spent shells nearly as easily as it should have, gas blowback was real, and annoying. It also just felt kinda poorly built in the hands. IMG_8480.jpeg
 
I'm not sure what our ridiculous gun laws have to do with a revolver 410 shotgun? One can legally buy a 410 shotgun in an over/under, side by side, semi-auto, bolt action, or a single shot breech break-open model.....:)

A repeating arm bigger than a .22, no semi PCCs left to buy; Leaver guns are expensive. Grab your revolving .410, throw on some cammo wrap, and you are an operator.
 
Are you liking the micro one. I want to pick up the micro one in 45 when it drops
It seems ok so far, blowback is not too bad with it
It has no chokes though so your not gonna get tight patterns with it, that also probably helps with the blowback along with having a shorter barrel
They should have made the reciever out of steel though and not aluminum
I see some wear on the thrust area where the round gets chambered and I don’t have a ton of rounds through it
I haven’t had any operational issues with it it always goes bang and the chambers are not super tight which is nice
Hopefully the 45 colt version uses a steel reciever and not aluminum
Not sure I’d trust it with a aluminum reciever
 
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