James Reeves 410 revolver burn down.
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So, off the top, i've used an SR410 for a couple seasons now for grouse. Love it, have no complaints.
Before i watched the video, i was assuming this was going to be an agree to disagree kind of thing. I happen to think mine is a decent little gun for the price point, this guy doesn't. Big deal, that's life, right?
But that video just annoyed me.
Let's do a real time run down:
0:22. Ok, i get it: it's a foreign name that he can't pronounce. Foreign doesn't necessarily mean inferior. German engineering, for example, is foreign. But that's the inference he's going for: this is a stupid gun made by stupid foreigners who talk stupid. It's a common joke,. I remember another joke when i was in germany: if someone who speaks 3 languages is trilingual and someone who speaks 2 languages is bilingual, what do you call someone who speaks only 1 language? ....... An american!
Point is: when you are the one who can't pronounce another language, you are not making them look dumb, you are just showing that you are ignorant.
0:40. "some people think it looks cool". It does. Prove me wrong.
0:43. Misssippi is retarded, i'll grant him that.
0:53. "probably a piece of sh!t". See, this is where he loses his credibility, and not just because he's given away his bias, that he's made up his mind before even looking at it. No, the big give away is the extremes: people get stuck in this either-or BS that something is either the best or it's total POS. All that shows is that you have a simplistic sense of judgement. There is such a thing as mid grade. There is such a thing as good enough. Good for the price point. Good enough for my needs.
0:58-1:00 complaning that the cylinder is going to take an eternity to load - "do they make speed loaders?". It literally took him 2 seconds, watch the time stamp! Tell this whining baby to put his purse down and he could probably load it faster.
1:40-2:15. The safety. Mine just has a half-cocked safety. His has a lever toggle switch where one side of the switch is big and the other is small. he's complaining because he assumed you would press the big side in to go hot and the small side in to go safe, but in fact it is the opposite. There is much whining about this. I don't unerstand why. To me it's common sense that it should be easier to make the gun safe and harder to accidentally make it hot. The big side is easier to press, the small side is harder, so the turks have made it the common sense way, and maybe this guy is just from mississippi...
2:15 - 3:10. He points out that the cylinder doesn't quite clear the receiver for ejecting shells, which i agree is bad design. Mine doesn't do that - maybe it's possible that in an entire country more than twice as big as canada by pop, maybe, just maybe, there are multiple manufacturing sectors with a whole spectrum of quality? Is it possible that a country that big could have both decent companies and bad ones? Possibly, but wouldn't that mean we couldn't just tar all turkish guns with the same brush?
He also complains about a lot of blow back and demonstrates it pretty effectively with some dry grass being blown back. That looks bad, i agree. But like i said, mine sure doesn't do that. Maybe i'll get it out today and find some dry grass of my own to show you.
3:10-5:00 ryan from mississippi shows up and together they whine about the blow back for almost 2 solid minutes.
5:00-6:33 he actually gives a bit more balanced evaluation here. He points out the gun's good features: how it runs smooth, no binding, trigger feels good, wood stock looks nice, sights and optic mount are good, but his main problem is the blow back, which he points out actually gave him a bleeding rash on his forearm, and on that basis he can't recommend this gun.
I don't blame him. With that kind of blow back, i wouldn't recommend it either.
My problem is that he's talks about this as if it's a reflection of all turkish guns, rather than only a reflection of that one manufacturer who made that particular gun. To me, that makes about as much sense as talking like american handguns are prone to misfires after testing a p320. Like i said, my turkish made sr410 has given me no such problems over several seasons now.
Before i watched the video, i was assuming this was going to be an agree to disagree kind of thing. I happen to think mine is a decent little gun for the price point, this guy doesn't. Big deal, that's life, right?
But that video just annoyed me.
Let's do a real time run down:
0:22. Ok, i get it: it's a foreign name that he can't pronounce. Foreign doesn't necessarily mean inferior. German engineering, for example, is foreign. But that's the inference he's going for: this is a stupid gun made by stupid foreigners who talk stupid. It's a common joke,. I remember another joke when i was in germany: if someone who speaks 3 languages is trilingual and someone who speaks 2 languages is bilingual, what do you call someone who speaks only 1 language? ....... An american!
Point is: when you are the one who can't pronounce another language, you are not making them look dumb, you are just showing that you are ignorant.
0:40. "some people think it looks cool". It does. Prove me wrong.
0:43. Misssippi is retarded, i'll grant him that.
0:53. "probably a piece of sh!t". See, this is where he loses his credibility, and not just because he's given away his bias, that he's made up his mind before even looking at it. No, the big give away is the extremes: people get stuck in this either-or BS that something is either the best or it's total POS. All that shows is that you have a simplistic sense of judgement. There is such a thing as mid grade. There is such a thing as good enough. Good for the price point. Good enough for my needs.
0:58-1:00 complaning that the cylinder is going to take an eternity to load - "do they make speed loaders?". It literally took him 2 seconds, watch the time stamp! Tell this whining baby to put his purse down and he could probably load it faster.
1:40-2:15. The safety. Mine just has a half-cocked safety. His has a lever toggle switch where one side of the switch is big and the other is small. he's complaining because he assumed you would press the big side in to go hot and the small side in to go safe, but in fact it is the opposite. There is much whining about this. I don't unerstand why. To me it's common sense that it should be easier to make the gun safe and harder to accidentally make it hot. The big side is easier to press, the small side is harder, so the turks have made it the common sense way, and maybe this guy is just from mississippi...
2:15 - 3:10. He points out that the cylinder doesn't quite clear the receiver for ejecting shells, which i agree is bad design. Mine doesn't do that - maybe it's possible that in an entire country more than twice as big as canada by pop, maybe, just maybe, there are multiple manufacturing sectors with a whole spectrum of quality? Is it possible that a country that big could have both decent companies and bad ones? Possibly, but wouldn't that mean we couldn't just tar all turkish guns with the same brush?
He also complains about a lot of blow back and demonstrates it pretty effectively with some dry grass being blown back. That looks bad, i agree. But like i said, mine sure doesn't do that. Maybe i'll get it out today and find some dry grass of my own to show you.
3:10-5:00 ryan from mississippi shows up and together they whine about the blow back for almost 2 solid minutes.
5:00-6:33 he actually gives a bit more balanced evaluation here. He points out the gun's good features: how it runs smooth, no binding, trigger feels good, wood stock looks nice, sights and optic mount are good, but his main problem is the blow back, which he points out actually gave him a bleeding rash on his forearm, and on that basis he can't recommend this gun.
I don't blame him. With that kind of blow back, i wouldn't recommend it either.
My problem is that he's talks about this as if it's a reflection of all turkish guns, rather than only a reflection of that one manufacturer who made that particular gun. To me, that makes about as much sense as talking like american handguns are prone to misfires after testing a p320. Like i said, my turkish made sr410 has given me no such problems over several seasons now.
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You're not familiar with any of his reveiws obviously. Psst, your stupid is showing (not to mention European mindset). Nice bird though!
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No, not familiar with any of his other reviews, this is the first one i've seen. pray tell, how does that make me stupid? honestly, I feel stupider for having watched the one video of his I have, I can't imagine how much worse it would be had I watched more!
Okay, there's something weird here.
This is T-hog's gun, clearly showing where the blast shield was attached before the incident. Look at the distance between the rear of the forestock and the front of the cylinder.
Okay, now here's the gun from the video review. It looks just like T-hog's gun, but with that rectangular piece of steel still bolted into those two holes in that same narrow space. Looking at it, I can't imagine how it could possibly function as an effective shield to contain the gas escaping through the barrel/cylinder gap.
And finally, look at themacguy's gun. Assuming that the area between the forestock and cylinder is the same as the other two guns, the blast shield here is much more substantial and appears to be wide enough for the cylinder to fit right inside of it, with a circular flange that extends backwards over the cylinder and past that circular groove that runs around the cylinder near the front. This looks like it might actually perform the function intended, although it still seems that there would be gases that are now being re-directed straight back towards the shooter, rather than out to the sides in an unshielded gun. The gun in Callee's pic above looks like it has this set-up as well.
Thunderhog, before your shield got blown off, did it look like the skimpy thing on the video gun, or the much more substantial one on the other? Is each blast shield a 2-piece affair? If so, it appears that the video gun only has half of each shield installed?
I tell ya, this thread saved me some money. These guns look like a ton of fun, but...nope!
This is T-hog's gun, clearly showing where the blast shield was attached before the incident. Look at the distance between the rear of the forestock and the front of the cylinder.
Okay, now here's the gun from the video review. It looks just like T-hog's gun, but with that rectangular piece of steel still bolted into those two holes in that same narrow space. Looking at it, I can't imagine how it could possibly function as an effective shield to contain the gas escaping through the barrel/cylinder gap.
And finally, look at themacguy's gun. Assuming that the area between the forestock and cylinder is the same as the other two guns, the blast shield here is much more substantial and appears to be wide enough for the cylinder to fit right inside of it, with a circular flange that extends backwards over the cylinder and past that circular groove that runs around the cylinder near the front. This looks like it might actually perform the function intended, although it still seems that there would be gases that are now being re-directed straight back towards the shooter, rather than out to the sides in an unshielded gun. The gun in Callee's pic above looks like it has this set-up as well.
Thunderhog, before your shield got blown off, did it look like the skimpy thing on the video gun, or the much more substantial one on the other? Is each blast shield a 2-piece affair? If so, it appears that the video gun only has half of each shield installed?
I tell ya, this thread saved me some money. These guns look like a ton of fun, but...nope!
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Hey John,
The gas-shield on my shotgun was almost identical to themacguys's gun. It did in fact shroud over the edge of the cylinder. My shield was a one piece unit.
I can see the shield on the shotgun that James reviewed looks a little different. However it could be a different design to try and stop the ridiculous gas & burnt powder blow back? Who knows for sure!....
I understand that some guys here are shooting these and enjoying them. However the gas and burnt powder issue is still a reality......
Not every Tesla will blow up and burn their occupants alive. However, some do......
I'm not willing to gamble injury or death with myself or my wife. Even if I didn't like my wife, I would not allow her to shoot one of these revolver-type garbage shotguns. The good news is my wife is my best friend and I love her with all my heart.....
For the guys that shoot these things and like them, fill your boots. And I hope it never blows up in your face, or worse, in your loved-ones face. I'm not willing to take that gamble.
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These revolver shotguns from TK have been on the market. What 8 years now?
They are a disaster, the disaster gets nicer looking, but it's still a bad design
Considering the amount guns that have blown up and people getting injured, I'm surprised they have not been banned from import.
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If my shotgun blowing up, and other guns blowing up, are not proof enough for folks to wake up, I'm not sure what is?......
Stupidity, being stubborn, and arrogance has killed many people, I won't be participating in taking these chances when one has been warned!......
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Yea, you're just way too advanced for the rest of us...probably should move on to a Mensa meeting or something more entertaining. Better actually. You're obviously just a better person than the rest of us.No, not familiar with any of his other reviews, this is the first one i've seen. pray tell, how does that make me stupid? honestly, I feel stupider for having watched the one video of his I have, I can't imagine how much worse it would be had I watched more!
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Apparently you forgot the finger on trigger violation!......
(FOT)I do like your sh!t-eating grin though!......
And of course the nice chicken you shot........
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Actually STUPID is not harsh at all......
Doing something stupid and dangerous, when there is a chance of injury, and/or death, is very stupid.......
My Dad, (rest his soul) used to say, "a wise man learns from his mistakes, a wiser man learns from the other guys mistakes"!.....
So these shotgun owners have been advised and shown what this gun can do. Has there been several confirmed accidents? Yes!
If one continues to expose themselves, or worse, their loved ones to possible danger, it is definitely stupid.
Sugar coat it all you like, one cannot fix stupid!.......
I have one. I’ve got one in .410 and one in .45.
I run around my property LARP’ing as Lord Humongous from Mad Max while shooting it, so the gases don’t bother me.
I’ve even got a custom-made codpiece — triangular leather, studs, chains up to a shoulder harness and dog collar.
Seriously… how I spend my weekends is unusual, but as my wife points out, I’m not hurting anyone - just a few squirrels that are either dead or now have severe PTSD.
I run around my property LARP’ing as Lord Humongous from Mad Max while shooting it, so the gases don’t bother me.
I’ve even got a custom-made codpiece — triangular leather, studs, chains up to a shoulder harness and dog collar.
Seriously… how I spend my weekends is unusual, but as my wife points out, I’m not hurting anyone - just a few squirrels that are either dead or now have severe PTSD.
Painkillers
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Man!? I thought I was leaving an impression by cutting the lawn in my speedo and cowboy boots (just speedo and boots). You're at a whole other level!?
TFB reviews are very one sided when it comes to Turkish shotguns
He has never had an actual good reviews on any of them, they are all garbage according to him
I think the short barreled versions have less blowback due to the shorter barrel
I have the micro 410 and the 12 inch barreled one and the blowback is considerably less on the micro
His Turkish shotgun burndowns are comedic gold. I wouldn’t say they’re one sided
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Me too! I put a potato in the back of the speedo's!
Painkillers
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I find his reviews honest and hilarious. Turkish shotguns are all junk according to James, because they all fail the simplest of asks...all of them. Doesn't matter what they call them, doesn't matter where in Turkey that they're made, when put to the same test that a $200 Maverick 88 sails through, they all fail, and miserably so.
The safety lever comments here are particularly funny. As usual, James hits the nail on the head that the safety is not intuitive, not marked, and as$ backwards in mentality to anyone who's ever handled a shotgun. To make a "safety" more difficult to deactivate = to a bird gone...it's supposed to be a shotgun.
Beginner mistake. Potato goes in the front.
I’ve got a few Turkish guns.
The quality is on a spectrum
(holding up my equity card so I can speak)They range from excellent to not so good, but all hold value within their space.
The SR410 and .45 rifles can be alright if you temper expectations, and accept that their value is not in being practical, but rather being unique - not unlike like the snowflake every person is (not to exclude two spirited furries, or those who identify as other animals/ entities)
On my two revolvers, I remove the strong-side shield (sorry for the implied ableism
) and it seems to work okay by venting on the opposite side of my face.As I identify as a right handed shooter I remove the shield on the right side.
If zee or zir identifies as ambidextrous (or left/ right handed fluid) this advice could be triggering.
I recognize as a sis handed shooter I’m making this post from a point of privilege.
