JARD J180 , new NR but no distributors carry em ?

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Jard 48 at least is gas straight to the face of the block of the bolt carrier.
Like the AG42/Hakim/Rashid.

With the J48, did the rifle have any issues with residue building up faster then on an AR-15, or was bit about the same?
 
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With the J48, did the rifle have any issues with residue building up faster then on an AR-15, or was bit about the same?

I never got far enough to tell...lol
Maybe got 100 of the worst rounds I've ever fired ,through it.
If you think the SU 16 is crap,then wait till you get your hands on one of these cluster fucs..lol
 
Forget if I mentioned this too but they take standard AR15 Handguards which would really help clean up the look of the front half of the rifle
 
From Sylvestre on their subforum:
This has been a very serious project of ours over the past 2.5 years. We have done a lot of back and forth with Jard Inc. as to making sure the rifle is reliable and also very important accurate!
Learning from past mistakes on the older generation models. We believe this J180 will be one of the top ones out there using the design. Also having the ability to customize with a lot of aftermarket parts is very exciting.

It sounds like Sylvestre is well aware of the past issues with the Jard predecessor product, and fully intend to sell a well tested, high quality firearm. Best wishes in the endeavour to them!
 

Is it just my imagination, or is that rail higher than it would be on an AR15 rifle?

Edit: And I hope they have either a better surface treatment for the bolt carrier, or that rifle better have like 10000 rounds through it for the wear on the carrier. Oh well, it's not like I'll be beta testing this one either, have at er boys.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the reason the AR went from the trigger charging handle to the T handle was because the propellent gases heated up the bolt too much for the user to comfortably charge the weapon after a few mags?
So, with this design being DI, without a gas key or anything, even MORE propellant gases transferring heat to the BCG... wouldn't the charging handle get really hot? I'm assuming this, among other reasons are why side charging AR uppers aren't so popular. Piston guns dont have this problem since the gases are all captured in the gas piston, down the barrel
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the reason the AR went from the trigger charging handle to the T handle was because the propellent gases heated up the bolt too much for the user to comfortably charge the weapon after a few mags?
So, with this design being DI, without a gas key or anything, even MORE propellant gases transferring heat to the BCG... wouldn't the charging handle get really hot? I'm assuming this, among other reasons are why side charging AR uppers aren't so popular. Piston guns dont have this problem since the gases are all captured in the gas piston, down the barrel

With the BRN-180 in the States, people would put a wrap around the handguard where the hot gas exhausting out where it drives the pistons causes the guard to heat up. The WK and MCR should have the same issue, but you seldom hear of people complaining about that here. I think the same reason this is not an issue for the piston 180s handguards in Canada will also apply to the charging handle of the DI J180. In both cases, the ten round maximum and the overall colder climate means that heat generate is often a non-issue, and possibly even welcome in some scenarios. Perhaps if someone is rich enough to dump five Cross Mags down range in rapid succession on a plus 30 day, they might need to use a glove to work the charging handle. But how often will that happen up here? If it does become an issue for some users, you could probably have someone in the industry 3D print a polymer cover for the handle to provide some extra insulation.
 
Its pretty stupid to make it out as a non issue just because of our laws. I could argue with the same base of logic that global warming is making it hot enough outside to where the JARDs charging handle becomes an issue. It's not like the types of people that buy these rifles are all bench shooters shooting cold bore shots and running a bore snake down the barrel between each shot. Do you think militaries wont test a rifle in extraordinary circumstances just because like 1000 round magdumps or mud tests or freeze tests wont happen every day? I don't like the look of the gun even before it comes out, kinda looks like a turd.
 
^ identifying flaws before large numbers of these are produced and imported is a good thing for the market. Is the mag release proprietary? why? is the barrel extension proprietary? why? which part is serialized?
 
^ identifying flaws before large numbers of these are produced and imported is a good thing for the market. Is the mag release proprietary? why? is the barrel extension proprietary? why? which part is serialized?

bigly this tbh
Although I'll admit Id love to get one of these in 6.5gren for deer hunting
https://jardinc.com/j180-builder-kit.html also if you look at the builder kit it looks like the barrel, ,handguard, gas , grip and stock are all AR15 pieces
 
Fair enough on the concerns on heat and the charging handle. I will ask Sylvestre on their forum about it.
 
Just my 2 cents...but was just noticing the amount of wear to the bolt an inside the frame... Not sure the round count in that rifle but it didn't look great to me.. just looked like the edges were rounding down an polishing up pretty good... To me IMO I would think they won't last to long before needing replacement parts.. again just my 2 cents . To each his own
 
Just my 2 cents...but was just noticing the amount of wear to the bolt an inside the frame... Not sure the round count in that rifle but it didn't look great to me.. just looked like the edges were rounding down an polishing up pretty good... To me IMO I would think they won't last to long before needing replacement parts.. again just my 2 cents . To each his own

I suspect Jard may have used a phosphate finish that wore away rather then a nitride finish on the bolt carrier group. This is actually a good thing; Brownells has indicated nitriding can affect the strength of the BCG in unpredictable ways when the developed their 180 based BRN-180; they found in development thinner parts of the BCG could break when nitrided. I speculated in the below thread that some of the failures in the BCG for the WK may have been from this issue in the below thread:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2111966-AR180-based-firearm-bolt-carrier-construction-method?highlight=Brn-180
 
Posted a question to Sylvestre on their forum; would Jard be able to make a full rifle cartridge (.308 / 6.5 Creedmore) version of the J180 , and could it piggyback on the existing FRT. https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2159869-Jard-J180-Scale-Up-Possible?p=18060780#post18060780

If the J180 proves reliable in intermediate cartridges, would there be interest in a J180-H"eavy" to provide a semi-automatic home for parts from now prohibited full sized rifle cartridge platforms?
 
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