Jus' Wondering... Deploying to A'stan... What optic would you choose for C7A1 / C8

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I realize that the coolest thing about this CGN community is that we have soooo many members either deploying to or returning from A'stan. That's major cool factor... A chance to obtain feedback from the sandbox. A chance to hear what works for REAL and what should remain at home for the "mirror kommandos", not to be mistaken for the "armchair commandos" :rolleyes:

So, those of you deploying over .... what optic would you / could you swap for the most esteemed ELCAN C79A1 or C79A2 ?? Then again, you could be a secret admirer of the C79 Gen 1 mount....

Are you gonna get a chance to even choose your optic that may save lives when the fit hits the shan ? :rolleyes:

Bring on the debate(s)
 
Schmitt and Bender Short Dot...


I have tried an EOTECH, and Aimpoint M2 and a TA31 ACOG while in Afghanistan with the military. NONE properly fufilled the requirements - from CQB to longer range tgt identification, descrimination and if necessary illimination.

Back in Afghan as a civy - I had an EO and a Short Dot (I took the Short Dot to visit Kandahar).


Anyone running irons as a primary method these days is a fool -- Irons are fine for a back up -- but they are hard to find while moving - then tgt is moving - low light - etc.
 
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+1 on the Short Dot. Big thanks to Kev for the one I am using. Great for in close, but also allows you to have positive target identification at longer range.
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HKfan said:
Good luck there Hungry!

Are you going with CF or as a contractor?
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Ummm

Reading what Hungry wrote I do not believe that he is going to Astan. I think that he is just curious as to what those who have "been there done that" think about optics.
 
Nope, I'm not heading over there anytime soon, although for kicks and giggles, I did speak to my high school principal about a leave of absence for a year and then he said that I could always extend it should I end up getting deployed.

For more shzts and giggles, I was thinking (I'm only 48 years young, and the CF ceiling is 58 ha ha ha) of joining up in an Armoured Reg't (used to drive 113A1, 548, 577 and Lynx back in 1VP) just so I can carry a C8 and bring along my TA31 RCO M4. yuk yuk yukk

Understand the context of this thread is what works over there in the "two way range" of A'stan....

Keep the debate going....
 
I just took my ELCAN - but I went as a base wienie for the guns. The gunners primarily stuck with their ELCANs as well - but they aren't door kickers. If a gunner is firing his rifle and not the big guns then everything has gone to S**t. Our FOO parties all had C8s but they all went with Irons as it was nice and light and for the same reason as above. From what I saw with the infantry most had just ELCANs and irons.
 
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I carried a C8 with an Eotech sight. IMHO that was perfect and if I went back I would kick and scream to get it again(When I got back I bought 2 AR15s and 2 Eotechs).
 
KevinB said:
Schmitt and Bender Short Dot...


I have tried an EOTECH, and Aimpoint M2 and a TA31 ACOG while in Afghanistan with the military. NONE properly fufilled the requirements - from CQB to longer range tgt identification, descrimination and if necessary illimination.

Back in Afghan as a civy - I had an EO and a Short Dot (I took the Short Dot to visit Kandahar).


Anyone running irons as a primary method these days is a fool -- Irons are fine for a back up -- but they are hard to find while moving - then tgt is moving - low light - etc.
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Same

Eotech is lovely.

But i am discovering the SB SHort Dot



SB Short Dot: Accept no substitute.
 
Eotech is 600$CAN while the SB Short Dot is 2500$US... I've never tried the Short Dot so I can't comment on it... But the variable feature could be very usefull and probably more handy than the various magnifying attachments offered by Eotech and Aimpoint. That said, I like my Eotech and the M2 or M3 by aimpoint seem like good systems.
 
KevinB said:
Anyone running irons as a primary method these days is a fool -- Irons are fine for a back up -- but they are hard to find while moving - then tgt is moving - low light - etc.
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Hence the ;) after my comment about irons. ;)
 
How about alternatives to the S&B for those of us on a tighter budget?

What about optics like the IOR 1.1-4x?

Optic must be good for CQB (1x) and able to accurately engage targets out to 500m (4x). So it should have either some type of mil reticle or indexed turrets that it can be quickly adjusted for bullet drop at the extended ranges.

My experience is limited to the ELCAN (which I can use quite well at 500m as long as I've had time to get elevations from 100-500m). So I'd like to hear from those who have other optics such as Nightforce, Trijicon TR21, Leopold, IOR.

Eotech is 600$CAN while the SB Short Dot is 2500$US...
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Apples and oranges my friend. The Eotech is fantastic for CQB but useless for longer distances. The key is to use an optic (Like S&B) that is good for CQB and longer distances out to 500m. We in the military need an optic that is suitable for both roles, not two optics (swapping, loss of zero...) that excel at only one thing.
 
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I have zero experience with the IOR -- Its on my list.

The Trijicon Accupoint TR21, Nightforce 1-4 are nice scopes -- but neither is in the Short Dot family, neither has the same CQB and the longer range abilities.

The NF does not have a zero stop -- so its "your best guess" where you are on the elevation dial if you move it -- nor is the illumination bright enough for day usage. * Note Nightforce direct Military sale scopes have a zero stop...


The TR21 - I was not fast at close ranges nor accurate at longer ranges with this... --

Leupold CQT -- POS skip it

Leupold 1.5-5 - illumination issues for CQB -- with a DR Optic attached it would not be a bad Section DM sight.
 
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Guys the IOR has not held up to civvy use, the dials have come loose and the lit reticle system has died on 3 scopes that I have dealt with...once again it is an inconvenience for us but for the professional user....:confused:
 
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The NF does not have a zero stop -- so its "your best guess" where you are on the elevation dial if you move it --
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I was wondering about that when I was playing with it. I do like it better than the TA31F.
 
What sight to use?

I am not a fan of Aimpoint. When I go back, I am thinking of taking the Aimpoint ML3 with 3x magnifier on a twist mount. I can't really afford the S&B. Unless you want to lend me one of yours Kev!!!!! Eotechs are great as well, but only for CQB. It's a very tough call......IMHO
 
westie47 said:
I am not a fan of Aimpoint. When I go back, I am thinking of taking the Aimpoint ML3 with 3x magnifier on a twist mount. I can't really afford the S&B. Unless you want to lend me one of yours Kev!!!!! Eotechs are great as well, but only for CQB. It's a very tough call......IMHO
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I would not say that an Eotech is Only for CQB.

If you can see it, you can shoot it !
 
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