Just curious. Ammo shortage in Canada?

When people finally stop panicking and stop hoarding everything they can find and afford I hope the super saturated market leads to lots of good deals! I had a pretty impressive stockpile, gathered over nearly a decade however. I lost in all in a fire and I am finding it hard to find the types of ammo I like to replace it let alone finding most any common ammo for a decent price.
 
As for where is all the ammunition?

Well it is not being shipped to the military or in empty shell casing at the range being consumed.

And since it is being made at record numbers, it must be sitting someplace.

So I will say it is in people's basements and on the tables of gunshows at twice the going rate.

Hoarding and price gouging fuelled by internet rumours pulled out of the arses of people like yourself.

Don't take my word for it, I gave you the answer from two of the biggest names in the industry.
 
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When people finally stop panicking and stop hoarding everything they can find and afford I hope the super saturated market leads to lots of good deals! I had a pretty impressive stockpile, gathered over nearly a decade however. I lost in all in a fire and I am finding it hard to find the types of ammo I like to replace it let alone finding most any common ammo for a decent price.
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I had the same thing happen, but was easily able to replace it all (and then some) over the past two years despite this "shortage".

Deals are still to be had as well.

You just have to be quick on the trigger when it does come in, and be patient, it will happen.

In the meantime, I am sure I or others can help you out if there is something in particular you are short on and need.
 
I bought up all I could afford over a period of 18 months, and when the ammo supply started getting tight here I had a decision to make. Reloading equipment or ammo components, which to buy first? I went with the equipment first and now I am relieved to at least have that. Now over the past three months the powders and abundant bullets on the EE seem to have dried up. It's not rocket science, obviously there are others out there that think like I do. I don't want to shoot what I have unless I know for certain that I can reload the brass afterwards. Eventually, I'll have what I want but it may not come at the price I am expecting. This is an interesting conversation topic to say the least. The ammo shortage is finally in our backyard.
 
Be patient, ammo and components do come in, just slowly and they don't last long.

(Or I guess this shipment of powder TSE got last month was a figment of my imagination)

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1061253-Powder-IS-HERE!%22
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(or maybe this SFRC post last month was a dream too, or the fact they still have stock)

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1059988-More-Powder!-Varget-CFE223-50BMG-H4831SC-H1000-and-more

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I just added ton of powder to the website. It's best to scroll thru to see what is in stock but there is lots of Varget in 1lb and 8lb, H110, Reloader 22, Win 748, CFE223 8lb, H50BMG 1lb and 8lb, IMR 700X, 8208, 3031, 4831, and 4198 in 1lb, H4831SC, H335, H4198 and a few others I'm sure I missed.

There are still a number still sold out but we're taking everything that we can. Powder prices keep going up with each import.



http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=15_17&sort=20a&page=6


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critter, as I was told there will be no more .223-308-338 Lapua and .300 Win Mag being shipped to Canada from a US manufacturer for the balance of 2014.

Let me know when some shows up, maybe I am wrong and like you predicted last year the big guys are about to dump millions of round of the above into Canada so they can have a fire sale and fight for market share. We all know how accurate that prediction of yours was last year..right?
 
So we'll shoot Prvi, Norma or S&B etc. US manufacturers arent the only manufacturers out there.

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critter, as I was told there will be no more .223-308-338 Lapua and .300 Win Mag being shipped to Canada from a US manufacturer for the balance of 2014.

Let me know when some shows up, maybe I am wrong and like you predicted last year the big guys are about to dump millions of round of the above into Canada so they can have a fire sale and fight for market share. We all know how accurate that prediction of yours was last year..right?
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I have definitely personally seen some cases right here on CGN where people post excitedly "got a great deal on 1000 rounds of 9mm, thanks ___________!" Then a post on the EE from the same person selling the same ammo for double the price. Best thing to do is not to give these shysters your money. Unless you want to continue paying higher prices for ammo from people that buy it, then sell it second hand for double the price.
 
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critter, as I was told there will be no more .223-308-338 Lapua and .300 Win Mag being shipped to Canada from a US manufacturer for the balance of 2014.

Let me know when some shows up, maybe I am wrong and like you predicted last year the big guys are about to dump millions of round of the above into Canada so they can have a fire sale and fight for market share. We all know how accurate that prediction of yours was last year..right?
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You were "told" more than that according to your posts.

Like the reason you don't see ammunition on the shelves (or now dumbed it down to 4 specific rounds won't get more for 2014 now) is because the European governments are buying it all because of the tensions over Ukraine (you still haven't addressed what affect they possibly could have on US commercial supplies), or was it the US governments? The same US government one whose only change from the decreased contracts spoken of by the head of ATK (the boss of Federal and more importantly Lake City - the plant that makes 99% of US military small arms ammunition) is a 5 year $20 million contract for .300 win mag (one company, Federal of all the manufactures).

So EVEN IF what you say about the ammunition being in short supply for the rest of 2014 is true, it is not for the reasons you pulled out of your arse blaming the government (especially over some recent tensions of Ukraine and European armies stockpiling just in case, which would have sweet frig all to do with the domestic US market, and by extension, most of our supply).

Or how about this whopper you pulled out of your arse;

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Most ammo from suppliers in the US are now isted as "discontinued" which means they are no longer producing for the civilian market.
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BS like that (which you know damn well is untrue as you made it up or got it from "Infowars") is what fuels the panic buying and hoarding, which perpetuates the problem. That is not my opinion, that is the opinion of the heads of Hornady and the ATK group (the Federal/LakeCity/CCI/Speer/Blazer) who are telling us it is not the government but strictly consumer driven demand and most like still panic buying or hoarding.

A simply economic phenomenon that defies the supply issue (which for ammunition is at record highs while government contracts are down) and causes people to create a shortage where none should exist. It happens all the time when people spread rumours that X will not be there tomorrow and if you want it, you better get it while you can. People like you spreading rumours with ZERO basis in fact is what drives it.
 
Here is Sierra Bullets four days ago on the inventory levels and the "shortage".

http://sierrabullets.wordpress.com/2014/05/09/may-2014-sierra-bullets-inventory-update/
May 2014: Sierra Bullets Inventory Update
Posted on May 9, 2014 by Sierra Bullets
Written By Vice-President of Sales Matt Reams

I have not heard the attendance numbers from the 2014 NRA show in Indianapolis yet, but they were expecting upwards of 70,000 attendees. From the crowds we experienced at the Sierra booth, I am not sure that expectation was not met.

The attendees were positive and upbeat and mostly had the same question – “When can we expect more product?” We spent a lot of the show explaining what has been happening the last 18 months and what we are doing about it. I am sure other exhibitors were doing the same.

The market has continued to move back towards “normal” levels, although the new “normal” is probably higher than the normal of 2011. For Sierra at least, the days of fax and email orders coming in at 700%-800% normal levels are over and the war on the backlog is what we focus on every day. As of this writing, we have reduced the backlog for 13 weeks straight. With new machinery still being brought online and new employees being trained to run it, we expect this to continue and accelerate as the year continues.

The next component after equipment and manpower is time. Understandably this is the one that causes us and our customers the most grief and irritation. Our customers have a need and want product today. There is little worse than your customers wanting what you make and not being able to provide it fast enough.

Our top sellers are getting closer to being caught up. This allows us to devote presses to running next tier products like 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm, etc. which have been neglected while we concentrated on the highest backordered items. This will continue as we trickle down though the most backordered items down to the least backordered items.

Unfortunately that means the slower sellers like 30-30 bullets, handgun bullets, 8mm, 303, etc. are still going to be many months out. How far will depend on current demand, but getting all our products back in stock in 2014 is not something we expect to happen. Changing a press from one bullet to another (a “changeover”) is the costliest part of production. The more we change over the less we produce. As we move to smaller and smaller runs, the changeovers will become more frequent and erode our efficiency. We will combat that as best we can by running as many like calibers as we can to reduce the scale of the changeover (changeovers within the same caliber are easier than changing calibers), but the amount of bullets we produce will be hampered nonetheless.

This will be offset to some degree with the new equipment being brought in as it is ready, but even this will not be enough to clear the backlog entirely in 2014. We do expect our most popular bullets to have better availability and maybe even see some inventory building by our distributors on these items.

One thing is for certain, we will not slow down until the backlog is cleared and our shelves and our distributor’s shelves are again stocked to the levels we all enjoyed in early 2012. We are sorry for all the shortages and thank you all for your patience.
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Funny, I see no mention of not being able to meet demand, or that they are sending all their projectiles to make ammunition for the government.

I also see the comments echoed that (other than some atypical rounds and definitely .22 rimfire most places) inventories are catching up and "The market has continued to move back towards “normal” levels".

But what do they know about the real situation over somebody who has imaginary conversations with themselves and "friends" at a local gun shop telling is it is all doom and gloom and rumours of wars will make you unable to get your favourite ammunition for the remainder of 2014. That should sure stop the panic paying that led to this shortage in the first place. :rolleyes:
 
Of course there is no shortage and that is why everyone selling ammo has the Federal .223/1000 piled to the ceiling, right?

Again let me know when the next shipment of US ammo in .223/.308/.300 WM/ .338 Lapua arrives in Canada as where I shop the can't get it.

Even more important is you letting us know when the next fire sale on ammo will happen as people I know have been saving for this epic event. Please be more accurate than your previous prediction.

There is a shortage and civilian shooters are not the main cause, just ask the NRA.
 
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Of course there is no shortage and that is why everyone selling ammo has the Federal .223/1000 piled to the ceiling, right?

Again let me know when the next shipment of US ammo in .223/.308/.300 WM/ .338 Lapua arrives in Canada as where I shop the can't get it.

Even more important is you letting us know when the next fire sale on ammo will happen as people I know have been saving for this epic event. Please be more accurate than your previous prediction.

There is a shortage and civilian shooters are not the main cause, just ask the NRA.
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Are you really this dense?

Where did anyone say there was "no shortage".

Your claiming that the gubermint is buying it all and that civilian lines are discountinted is the BS I called you on (and your rumour that we will not see any .223, .308, .300 or .338 from the US for the remainder of 2014).

Your claim is bunk because the European armies are not buying US commercial ammunition, and the 99% small arms ammunition for the US military comes from the Lake City plant owned by Federal, and they are not chaining commercial plants to make it for the military. They are flat out as the president of ATK has said, just like the president of Hornady. Domestic production for the commercial market has SWEET F ALL do to do with military contracts (which are actually down, with the exception of a $20 million on announced for 300 win mag).

As for .223 and .338, SFRC has it on their site.

There was also a boatload of Lake City (military overruns because they have excess capacity) 5.56 that came here last month (and sold out).

I suspect more will follow.

SFRC still has Federal .223 and they also have Hornady .338, and other than .22 the stores around here have stock in everything and while not overflowing, stock is better than it has been in a year. Others in this thread have failed to notice a shortage you are claiming of as well.

So I have given you quotes from ammunition manufacturing presidents, news article from the last week, where you can still buy it from Board Sponsors, and a press release from Sierra, all saying the same thing and pointing to you being full of shyte with your made up theory.

Supply is normalizing and the reason for the shortage is domestic demand and as sweet bugger all to do with Ukraine and the European and US militaries taking up all the supply.

That is pure hogwash you made up (worthy of your hero Alex Jones).

So either quote a source (like I have done for everything I have said), or with all due respect, shut up and stop making shyte up.
 
Days after their 10% sale SFRC still has US made .223 American Eagle by the 1000;

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_108_109

And here is the Lake City they added to the site just over a month ago which sold out fast (but shows that military manufacturing capacity is filling consumer demand all the way to us Canucks);

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_108_109&products_id=3657

They also have .300 win mag;

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_108_142

and .338 lapua;

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_108_168

Wolverine has American manufactured .223 in stock as well;

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/products/ammunition/rifle.aspx?addFilter=Caliber&filterValue=.223+Rem.

I can go on, but I won't.

While the Canadian market is low on the totem pole at next to last at getting supply, it is coming and has been coming in even during the hard times of last summer through to today.

The American Military, nor the European Militaries are having an effect on consumer supply in Canada or the US.

As the article from last year said about the situation, "we are our own enemy" when it comes to the shortage.

(a shortage in the eyes of companies like Sierra, and news reports I have quoted from the past week, is getting slowly cleared up)
 
Just stop posting enfield303t. Critter keeps posting logical explanations for you backed up with articles. You're not doing anyone a service by spewing this nonsense about conversations you had. Even if you did have "insider information" what good is it doing by sharing it here? causing panic, further perpetuating the problem? Something tells me you're one of those Alex Jones loving nut jobs that thinks the government is out to get them and they have to store hundreds of thousands of rounds in their basement so they can sleep well at night. Believe what you want, but here in reality the reason there isnt a lot of ammo on the selves is because people like you.
 
9mm is drying up here in Brandon, although it's more hard-to-come-by now, and what there is seems to be more expensive ($20 for 50rds), and there's no bulk. I don't shoot 9mm (.40S&W for the win), but my buddies are all feeling the strain.

And 8mm Mauser is nowhere to be found, as well as .303 British. There was a shortage of .22LR but it's back in spades now, although it would be nice to see some domestic .223 (as in Western Munitions) back at the local shop, as I'm not too crazy about buying Chinese crap.

I do buy ammo buy the crate, but that's because in the long run it's cheaper than buying it box by box, especially if I'm shooting surplus. I don't 'hoard' ammo, per se, but I'd be lying if it didn't give me a warm and fuzzy seeing all those rounds waiting for their day at the range.
 
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The biggest creator of the ammo shortage is NEW BUYERS. Steve Hornady knows this too. If you talk to him you will find out. The US government has literally scared the ebegeebies out of the populace and scared new buyers into buying guns and ammo, this has nearly doubled the demand for guns and ammo, and since the ammo makers were not expecting it, and they had no excess capacity they simply cannot keep up. Things WILL normalize, but no-one knows when. It will happen. In the mean time existing gun owners buy what they need and the new buyers buy what they think they need. The balance before was perfect. Ammo makers made ammo, users used ammo, ammo makers made more, and the train kept on going. NOW the users still use, but buy more as they are scared of being out, so they buy double, and the new owners and shooters are just as scared so they buy double, and overnight the suppliers can only supply 25% of the demand. This is what has happened. To say there is no shortage, is to ignore the facts. Not a single gun shop can get all the ammo they order, which means there is a shortage. not a single gun shop has the same full stocks they had prior the run, none, not one. There is a shortage, but it will sort itself out in the end.
 
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