Kel tec sub 2000 Impression

I stopped shooting mine after the frame cracked from firing and warranty cost me $250 from wolverine to replace the gun

It was 2months old and less than 200 fired of 147gr fmj factory. Cracked at plastic hinge
 
I love my sub2k and find it a fun little gun to shoot. Mine takes Beretta 92 mags which I have a few of, and being able to legally utilize the 9mm cartridge off the range and out in the bush pleases me. I've put about at least 2000 rounds through my sub 2k and it's only had one feeding problem, probably due to poor quality of some of the brass I handloaded. Prior to purchasing the rifle, I heard somewhere not to use factory 147gr loads, so I have always steered clear, yet the rifle seems to handle the hot 115gr ammo I've loaded for it. I think the sights are horrible and I hate them; There's no nice way to say it so there it is. Despite the sights and the idiot behind the trigger, I find the rifle is fairly accurate (for me) and I can mostly hit clays scattered around at 50m. The sub2k is hard to beat as a portable center-fire rifle in terms of fun, light weight, and speed of deployment. Do I think the sub2k is a bush gun option? No, not at all. Frankly I think a gas canister air horn is a better option if you don't want to have to carry a real gun while out in the bush dodging bear droppings. The rifle is a very simple design making it ridiculously easy to disassemble and clean.

Kel tec has some interesting and unique guns, but I think their quality control is not where it should be: way too many people are having issues for it to be an occasional anomalous defect slipping by. With the recent surge in firearm purchases and pressure on the manufacturers to get product out the door, I guess it's unsurprising that weaknesses in quality control would become a consumer problem. I took this into consideration before I spent my $600.

I bought this rile new and I am quite happy with my purchase. I'd kill my credit card (and probably will) for a Red Lion Forend, and if and when I can get someone to bring one in for me I'll post pics of the installed product and post some 50m, 100m, and 150m accuracy findings for S&Gs if someone doesn't beat me to it.
 
Emailed kel-tec and received a response today regarding the warranty of kel-tec products.

I did infom them in the email that i am a Canadian owner of the SU-16.

The lifetime warranty applies for as long as the original owner retains it.
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f55 said:
Emailed kel-tec and received a response today regarding the warranty of kel-tec products.

I did infom them in the email that i am a Canadian owner of the SU-16.
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Tell that to the guy that paid Wolverine $250 when his cracked after 2 months!
Whanstalls told me 1 year but I did not "get it in writing".
I wouldn't be surprised if the root of the warranty hassle or lack of has something to do with Vault.....perhaps you should confirm what Keltec told you with their importer?
It makes sense to me that keltec should give us the same warranty but if it's not honored by the importer in Canada it's a bit moot.
 
I took mine out yesterday, 150 rounds and about 15-20 ftf fte and a double feed or two, Disapointed but i hold out hope that with a cleaning and better ammo it will run.
 
cr5 said:
Not cranky, just sick of the same old posts over and over from people saying it's not worth $600 and they don't like the sights. Try doing a little research before you buy something so you know what your getting before you throw down your cash. $600 is nothing and for me this little carbine has paid itself off in the fun I've had with it riding around on the quad unloading 10 round mags in the bush. If you have unrealistic expectations you will always be let down.
Since the stores still can't keep them on the shelves I guess they are worth $600 and the sights may not be the best but they work well enough to hit pretty much anything you point it at within 100yds. What else do they need to do? It's a 9mm, it only needs to be able to shoot to 100yds and it's awesome at 50yds. If you want better sights and more steel instead of polymer it's gonna raise the price and the weight. If you don't care about it folding throw a quadrail on it and a red dot.
Everyone I've let shoot mine has had a huge grin on their face afterward and has burned through more of my ammo than I intended to let them go through in such a short amount of time.

It does exactly what it was designed to do and more. If you buy it expecting to get a non restricted AR-15 in 9mm then of course you will be dissappointed.
It's the same as the guys that buy the RFB and then say for $2400 it should be sub MOA with any ammo. That's just rediculous. A chrome lined barrel in a semi auto battle rifle carbine bullpup package is never going to be sub MOA. You want sub MOA from a semi auto 308 buy a $3000 AR-10 or spend a fortune on a Springfield and send it to a gunsmith for tuning.
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Dont like reading about it all the time..... Heres a idea stop trolling the internet cheaping people like a little girl that wasnt hugged enough as a child. Get a life and stop pestering people.
 
A fellow at the range brought his brand new, just-purchased, Sub 2000 in 9mm with Glock magazine to the range. I watched him unfold it, load his magazine with an outrageously amount of cartridges, all ten of them, and commence shooting. Stoppage after a few rounds. The cases were filthy black and dinged up at the mouth. Some were sliced at the mouth. Then the plastic receiver inside and to the front of the ejection port was chipped in many places.

Something is amiss with these products.

I have shot them and like them. But, I will not buy them at Canadian pricing, nor will I buy them due to the refusal of the importer to honour the warranty. The fellow who had to pay $250 to get a replacement, well it would not surprise me if that was the actual price to the wholesaler but I am just guessing.
 
Perhaps the fellow that paid $250 for a warranty gun could expound on the costs. Anytime we have dealt with Vault the total cost to the customer has been either $0 or shipping costs to us. The warranty service we have received has been great.
As for the problems with the Sub 2000, almost all issues I have seen have had to do with underpowered ammo. The recoil spring is pretty stout and it requires full power loads. Lots of folks down load their 9mm reloads and these will not work in the guns.
 
Teapot said:
A fellow at the range brought his brand new, just-purchased, Sub 2000 in 9mm with Glock magazine to the range. I watched him unfold it, load his magazine with an outrageously amount of cartridges, all ten of them, and commence shooting. Stoppage after a few rounds. The cases were filthy black and dinged up at the mouth. Some were sliced at the mouth. Then the plastic receiver inside and to the front of the ejection port was chipped in many places.

Something is amiss with these products.

I have shot them and like them. But, I will not buy them at Canadian pricing, nor will I buy them due to the refusal of the importer to honour the warranty. The fellow who had to pay $250 to get a replacement, well it would not surprise me if that was the actual price to the wholesaler but I am just guessing.
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So ah you where watching me shot eh?
Same experience with mine Vault says it's fine. In truth it took 400 rounds to break in. And now works fine. But the details you describe are identical to mine.
Currently 100%
 
It's intended purpose, trunk NR, cottage and range toy, after the horrific brake in and fishing for ammo that worked. I would buy another one. Even if it too was a POS for the first 400 rounds, they fill a storage, NR, ease of deployment hole no other gun I can think of fills other then a short trunk shotgun with a mag.
 
Mine is doing the same but only 1 out of 2 mags.
Only put about 150 rnds through it so a bit more before she is broken in.
 
I agree about the oil, but firing it somewhat dry speeds up the break in, a CLP was wet, so switched to rem oil as its thinner and it actually ran better. After which started using thin synthetic grease and I mean thin amounts. The sob wants to run poopy till broken in, don't baby it. The love your giving it all slimey inside is slowing the break in if you ask me. After 400 rounds of crap and stress then treat her with slippy love.
 
Can-down said:
My only issue with Keltec in Canada is why don't we get the lifetime warranty? One year is total BS when our cousins down south get a lifetime warranty.
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Even in that one year period the warranty might be BS. I have a PMR 30 with the original fluted barrel. Every owner is entitled to a replacement just by asking if you live in the U.S. I asked my dealer and the Canadian distributor about it and they first suggested that all Canadian PMR-30s already have the new barrel. When I sent photos, nothing happened. I have since asked about buying the new extended barrel with the small flash hider. Nothing but crickets. Just my experience. To get back on topic a bit more, I love the Sub 2000 for what it is. I had my name on a list but it came in at a time when I couldn't spare the $600.00. It was fine with the dealer as there was really high demand. Now, I have other priorities. I'll still get one some day.
 
I got the Glock version and was having similar problems, the cartridge was not fully ejecting. Then I remembered a video I saw on youtube where a guy with a massive beard was saying that the 115gr bullets are not ideal and to use the 124gr or more. I switched to 124gr and got zero failures after that.
 
Winchester 115 ran well later on,
B&b 124 ran horrific 1/3
147 American eagle 1/7 fail to eject
Or jam or the way out.
It was all dog poop, but in the end it was all growing, break in pains. And yes vault Sucks. If it's broken they will fix it, if it's unreliable they don't care. Imo.
Vault had it for a month, when asked they fired it 10 times... Err? 10? Not what I would call an attempt to duplicate a problem. I said try S&B it fails 1 in 3 three. They said we don't have any... Long pause, silence.

The warranty is lifetime original owner, as per website. Being Canadian doesn't change that, the website doesn't say (unless your in Canada). At least I hope it doesn't lol.

Glock version. Love it.
 
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MSRP for our more equal American cousins is $400. The image in my mind's eye of a Canadian dealer is of a big burly guy with a big hose full of sewage drenching Canadian customers as they both purchase Kel Tec products and return broken ones for warranty repair.
lol.
$600 is a bit much and as far as warranty goes that is even worse.

Having said all that, I'd get one were the price four-something, but having to shell out $680 otd is way way too much.
 
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