Killing hibernating bears
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You might want to consider more deeply what the 'public trust' actually means in terms of government and the role of government in managing a resource (such as wildlife) for the benefit of its citizens.
And it doesn't mean the BC government either. If that were true, the Migratory Birds Convention Act, for example, wouldn't apply to you in BC. But, as it turns out, it does. As does the Species At Risk Act, etc, etc.
Thay do the same thing in Siberia it don't look like sumthing the Alasken Fish and Wildlife would do very often and the bear don't look Very docile
Cool video of one piss off bear coming out of a den
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdPzdPOJo4
Cool video of one piss off bear coming out of a den
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdPzdPOJo4
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Brutus
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Myself, I would not be so quick to judge my friend.
Alaska has many laws that residents take for granted, such as handgun hunting.
And in some jurisdictions within Canada, one can night hunt raccoons, others not so.
Law of adjacency applies here, I think so myself.
Guaranteed, Alaskans could care less about your negative thoughts.
Brutus
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Go right ahead if you want to.
You yourself brought up this subject, so it must be something you were considering yourself.
How often does it happen? I spent an awful lot of time in the woods as a kid and young adult, and never once came across a den, and my father-in-law was a logger for probably close to 35 years, and I only remember him once mentioning that he had ever come across a sleeping bear - apparently not a fun thing, though. This might be akin to legalizing unicorn hunting - it'll offend a lot of granola-crunchers, but not result in a lot of dead unicorns.
Turkinator
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I don't think shooting hibernation bears is good sport, but if you want to crawl in there and use a garrotte to get the job done more power to you.
Wow, reading comprehension in this thread is low......
As per the facts, this is not about "hunting", it's about culling...... there is no movement to make hunting bears in dens legal.....
Some of you guys need to read before commenting..
As per the facts, this is not about "hunting", it's about culling...... there is no movement to make hunting bears in dens legal.....
Some of you guys need to read before commenting..
I don't think it all that easy look kind of haywire to me and this is just a small one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4u35F1JLJnQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4u35F1JLJnQ
Runningfool
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This times a gagillion!!!!
Please people, we accuse antis (whether it be anti-gun or anti-hunting) of not reading the whole story, of only looking at the sensational headline and going no further because it re-enforces their uninformed notion of what shooting or hunting really means and then many here go and do the exact same thing!.
This is NOT a thread about hunting bears in their dens. Let's do better than the antis and inform ourselves a little before making comments or forming opinions.
BigUglyMan
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Not entirely true. I can still buy a whitetail tag OTC in Saskatchewan.
You noticed, eh?
Seems a pretty common problem with the Facebook generation. Among others.
Go straight to full spool stupidness, based on some half truth or butchered-to-an-agenda posting, without actually ever checking anything, or, in most cases, having taken the time to actually read the whole of the original story in any context.
One of the few downsides to the Interwebs. Smart people have discovered that it is VERY easy to manipulate the stupid ones.
Cheers
Trev
Agreed lol....I don't do facebook or any other social media really..most of my Internet time is spent here.or other fishing/hunting forums....I'm probably missing out on alot and I'm admittedly late on most events....
I asked the question here before doing any other searching after the mother in law was ramming a newspaper article in my face during dinner...I assumed there was a reason that had nothing to do with hunting behind it...
Here is the article
On 3 April 2017, President Trump signed H.J. Res. 69, a joint U.S. House and Senate resolution nullifying Obama-era regulations banning the use of certain “predator control” hunting methods on the 76.8 million acres of federally-protected national preserves across Alaska.
The repealed restrictions were enacted in 2016 by the Fish and Wildlife Service after years of disputes between the U.S. government and the state of Alaska over the legality of such practices as bear baiting, hunting via aircraft, killing hibernating bears, and “denning” (killing wolves, coyotes, and offspring in their dens) on or near federally protected lands.
In an impassioned call to action, the Humane Society of the United States had condemned the bill, which they said ought to “shock the conscience of every animal lover in America”:
The U.S. House of Representatives overturned a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service rule that stopped a set of appalling and unsporting predator control methods on national wildlife refuges in Alaska. These egregious practices include shooting or trapping wolves while at their dens with cubs, using airplanes to scout for grizzly bears to shoot, trapping bears with cruel steel-jawed leghold traps and wire snares and luring grizzly bears with food to get a point blank kill. Republicans, with only a few dissents, provided the votes for the measure, which passed by a vote of 225 to 193.
In reality, however, most of those practices were already prohibited to sport hunters under Alaska law, and some of them, including hunting coyotes in their dens and killing hibernating bears and cubs, were permitted to subsistence hunters even under the federal regulations.
The deeper issue all along was state vs. federal control of wildlife management. Despite support from scientific, environmental, and animal welfare advocacy groups, the federal restrictions were considered intrusive and unwarranted by many Alaskans. The state filed a lawsuit in January 2017 contending that the rules amounted to federal overreach, harming the ecosystem and citizens of Alaska. With the support of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and Safari Club International, Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska) introduced H.J. Res. 69 in February 2017 to redress what he termed a “wrongful seizure of authority”:
From the beginning, I said I would do everything in my power to overturn this illegal jurisdictional power grab by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Today, we’re one step closer to delivering on that commitment and eliminating a wrongful seizure of Alaska’s fish and wildlife management authority. I’m thankful to all those that played a role in moving this important resolution of disapproval, including that countless state and local stakeholders that worked with me to fight a very serious and alarming overreach by the Executive Branch. I look forward to seeing the swift consideration of H.J. Res. 69 in the Senate.
Although passage of the law (i.e., repeal of the federal restrictions) won’t likely result in a sudden increase in the slaughter of hibernating bears or denning wolves, it will make it much more difficult for the U.S. government to intervene in such matters in the future, which remains a serious concern to animal welfare and wildlife protection groups.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/04/04/house-votes-killing-hibernating-bears-alaska/
On 3 April 2017, President Trump signed H.J. Res. 69, a joint U.S. House and Senate resolution nullifying Obama-era regulations banning the use of certain “predator control” hunting methods on the 76.8 million acres of federally-protected national preserves across Alaska.
The repealed restrictions were enacted in 2016 by the Fish and Wildlife Service after years of disputes between the U.S. government and the state of Alaska over the legality of such practices as bear baiting, hunting via aircraft, killing hibernating bears, and “denning” (killing wolves, coyotes, and offspring in their dens) on or near federally protected lands.
In an impassioned call to action, the Humane Society of the United States had condemned the bill, which they said ought to “shock the conscience of every animal lover in America”:
The U.S. House of Representatives overturned a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service rule that stopped a set of appalling and unsporting predator control methods on national wildlife refuges in Alaska. These egregious practices include shooting or trapping wolves while at their dens with cubs, using airplanes to scout for grizzly bears to shoot, trapping bears with cruel steel-jawed leghold traps and wire snares and luring grizzly bears with food to get a point blank kill. Republicans, with only a few dissents, provided the votes for the measure, which passed by a vote of 225 to 193.
In reality, however, most of those practices were already prohibited to sport hunters under Alaska law, and some of them, including hunting coyotes in their dens and killing hibernating bears and cubs, were permitted to subsistence hunters even under the federal regulations.
The deeper issue all along was state vs. federal control of wildlife management. Despite support from scientific, environmental, and animal welfare advocacy groups, the federal restrictions were considered intrusive and unwarranted by many Alaskans. The state filed a lawsuit in January 2017 contending that the rules amounted to federal overreach, harming the ecosystem and citizens of Alaska. With the support of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and Safari Club International, Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska) introduced H.J. Res. 69 in February 2017 to redress what he termed a “wrongful seizure of authority”:
From the beginning, I said I would do everything in my power to overturn this illegal jurisdictional power grab by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Today, we’re one step closer to delivering on that commitment and eliminating a wrongful seizure of Alaska’s fish and wildlife management authority. I’m thankful to all those that played a role in moving this important resolution of disapproval, including that countless state and local stakeholders that worked with me to fight a very serious and alarming overreach by the Executive Branch. I look forward to seeing the swift consideration of H.J. Res. 69 in the Senate.
Although passage of the law (i.e., repeal of the federal restrictions) won’t likely result in a sudden increase in the slaughter of hibernating bears or denning wolves, it will make it much more difficult for the U.S. government to intervene in such matters in the future, which remains a serious concern to animal welfare and wildlife protection groups.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/04/04/house-votes-killing-hibernating-bears-alaska/
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