Coyote Ugly
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Maybe you should educate yourself and Read rather than "Bet and Guess".
The DNA doesn't lie or look for excuses either. Explain that one.
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Maybe you should educate yourself and Read rather than "Bet and Guess".
The DNA doesn't lie or look for excuses either. Explain that one.
Maybe you should educate yourself and Read rather than "Bet and Guess".
what DNA is that? it is generally accepted that north and south america were originally populated via the land bridge from asia. it is also not hard to think that coastal peoples may have travelled all along the asian, beringian, and american coasts 15-20,000 years ago, thus similarities with coastal asia.
does the so called genghis khan marker show up in north or south american indian populations? that might be suggestive that 1421 is correct, but not "asian" DNA in and of itself.
This fellow's postulations haven't exactly set the worlds of history or archaeology on their heads, but they are worth a read, if only for entertainment value.
This may be a bit like the "junk science" about the Mayan/Egyptian/space travel/"close encounters of the third kind" stuff that became popular back in the 1970s. I think I'll check the library for a copy and give it a read.
This may be a bit like the "junk science" about the Mayan/Egyptian/space travel/"close encounters of the third kind" stuff that became popular back in the 1970s. I think I'll check the library for a copy and give it a read.
Greenland not only had bishop in the southern Greenlandic town of Gardar (now Igaligo), but Lief Ericson mother, Tjodhilde, build the first Christian Church ever in North America and the Western Hemishere, in year 1000.
Also, Greenland became the first to be part of a european kingdom in North America in year 1269, when Norwegian King Haakon the First, was elected king, in return for six ship loads of supplies from Norway, every year.
The legendary Viking Chief, Eric the Red, in year 986, also named his newly dicovered land: "Greenland", in order to con and lure more settlers to settle in Greenland
Also, Greenland became the first to be part of a european kingdom in North America in year 1269, when Norwegian King Haakon the First, was elected king, in return for six ship loads of supplies from Norway, every year.
The legendary Viking Chief, Eric the Red, in year 986, also named his newly dicovered land: "Greenland", in order to con and lure more settlers to settle in Greenland
Eirikr Rauda (Eric the Red) was on exile from Iceland following a nasty little private war with some of his neighbours. He was exiled in 982 for a periodof 3 years, came stomping back to Iceland in 985 and told everyone that there was all the free land they could use in "his" new land: GREENland. This sounded really good to people in ICEland, so about 600 people picked up and moved hat year, not knowing that wood (and the Norse built in wood at this time) was more than a bit scarce.
The final ship to Greenland in 985 was that captained by Bjarni Herjolfsson, who was a partner in the trading post operated by Herjolf Bardarsson in Eyrar. Herjolf went to Greenland and left a message for Bjarni, who was in Norway getting shipload of cargo, to follow to Greenland immediately. Bjarni started off for Greenland and was caught in a Polar Nor'-East gale, what the old-timers call a "Nine Days' Wind". When the storm blew itself out, he was in a fog bank for a week. Finally determining the True North, Bjarni turned the ship and sailed out of the fog, very quickly discovering LAND on his port bow.
Bjarni Herjolfsson discovered North America in 985 and sailed along the coast of Newfoundland and Labrador all the way to Cape Chidley where he made his turn East for a straight passage to Herjolfsness in Greenland: a completely magnificent feat of navigation. He had a full cargo from Europe AND a shipload of women and children and he lost NO passengers on the voyage. Without doubt, Bjarni was one of the GREAT captains of history.
The Norse from Iceland and Greenland came to Markland - Labrador - for timber for almost 500 years after this. Cod Island, off the Labrador, is Bjarni's Island in the old tales, although Eric the Red preferred to call it Bear Island and even made up a tale about finding a bear there: the name "Bjarni" means "Bear" in Old Norse, so the tale was to confuse people as to the identity of the real discoverer following Eric's SON's well-publicised "discovery" 15 years later, using Bjarni's actual ship and sailing directions.
I put my semi-retired drunken wizard friend Sidney the Profound aboard Bjarni's ship and wrote the whole story 2 years ago. Spent 3 years on research for it, too. A Winnipeg publisher is waiting for the money to print and publish the thing. It's called "Opdaegelsfard: A Voyage of Discovery" and should be out next year some time, all 900 pages of it, of which 800 are story and 100 are historical and cultural notes.
Columbus visited Iceland in 1477 and spent a lot of time talkng with old people. This is why he hied it back to Spain, spent the next 15 years getting up an expedition, then sailed SW to the Canaries, waited for the Trade wind, took his departure from Las Palmas and set course due West. He KNEW there was something blocking him to the North and didn't want to run into it. Just the Americas are a little bit bigger than Chris thought.
But Bjarni Herjolfsson, merchant captain, was the true European discoverer of North America, in the year 985. It is one of the ironies of history that Bjarni's name is all but forgotten and the glory has been passed to Leif, the son of the mass-murderer/serial-killer Eric Thorvaldson, known to this day as Eric the Red. Leif's expedition was 15 years after Bjarni, used Bjarni's ship, Bjarni's sailing directions and (entirely likely) Bjarni's original map.
This was, by the way, 436 years before 1421.
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The final ship to Greenland in 985 was that captained by Bjarni Herjolfsson, who was a partner in the trading post operated by Herjolf Bardarsson in Eyrar. Herjolf went to Greenland and left a message for Bjarni, who was in Norway getting shipload of cargo, to follow to Greenland immediately. Bjarni started off for Greenland and was caught in a Polar Nor'-East gale, what the old-timers call a "Nine Days' Wind". When the storm blew itself out, he was in a fog bank for a week. Finally determining the True North, Bjarni turned the ship and sailed out of the fog, very quickly discovering LAND on his port bow.
Bjarni Herjolfsson discovered North America in 985 and sailed along the coast of Newfoundland and Labrador all the way to Cape Chidley where he made his turn East for a straight passage to Herjolfsness in Greenland: a completely magnificent feat of navigation. He had a full cargo from Europe AND a shipload of women and children and he lost NO passengers on the voyage. Without doubt, Bjarni was one of the GREAT captains of history.
The Norse from Iceland and Greenland came to Markland - Labrador - for timber for almost 500 years after this. Cod Island, off the Labrador, is Bjarni's Island in the old tales, although Eric the Red preferred to call it Bear Island and even made up a tale about finding a bear there: the name "Bjarni" means "Bear" in Old Norse, so the tale was to confuse people as to the identity of the real discoverer following Eric's SON's well-publicised "discovery" 15 years later, using Bjarni's actual ship and sailing directions.
I put my semi-retired drunken wizard friend Sidney the Profound aboard Bjarni's ship and wrote the whole story 2 years ago. Spent 3 years on research for it, too. A Winnipeg publisher is waiting for the money to print and publish the thing. It's called "Opdaegelsfard: A Voyage of Discovery" and should be out next year some time, all 900 pages of it, of which 800 are story and 100 are historical and cultural notes.
Columbus visited Iceland in 1477 and spent a lot of time talkng with old people. This is why he hied it back to Spain, spent the next 15 years getting up an expedition, then sailed SW to the Canaries, waited for the Trade wind, took his departure from Las Palmas and set course due West. He KNEW there was something blocking him to the North and didn't want to run into it. Just the Americas are a little bit bigger than Chris thought.
But Bjarni Herjolfsson, merchant captain, was the true European discoverer of North America, in the year 985. It is one of the ironies of history that Bjarni's name is all but forgotten and the glory has been passed to Leif, the son of the mass-murderer/serial-killer Eric Thorvaldson, known to this day as Eric the Red. Leif's expedition was 15 years after Bjarni, used Bjarni's ship, Bjarni's sailing directions and (entirely likely) Bjarni's original map.
This was, by the way, 436 years before 1421.
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Big_red_truck
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it's been proven that the chinese did not have the knowledge to travel the atlantic , they did not know the currents and winds. I'm not trying to be ignorant. But what you've heard is only a myth.
The first Viking recorded discovery of North America was in the year of 876, when Gunnbjoern sailed from Norway to Iceland, and due to forces of nature, ended up in Eastern Greenland, and his description of the coast and a particular tall mountain has survived, which are now, in his honor named "Gunnbjoerns Fjell".
Another small group of Vikings's from Iceland, using the knowledge of Gunnbjoern's discovery, and predating Eric the Red's tree year banishment for murder from Iceland, set sail for Eastern Greenland, which has a very harsh winter climate, came back to Iceland the following spring, barely alive.
Knowing the troubles that particualr group of settlers went through, Eric the Red decided to sail further south along the Eastern Greenland, and found the lush vegetations of the southern Greenlandic fjords, which among others, were warm enough to grow hay for the winter.
With irrigation, the Bishop of Greenland was able to harvest hay, twice a year, taking advantage of the 24 hours of sunlight in summer time.
The remains of all these first Christians of North America, was in an act of grave robbery, in 1962, removed from their pre-reformation Christian graves in Greenland by Danish Archaeologist, to the Danish National Museum, Copenhagen, basement for "scientific study", were the remain to this day.
To best of my knowledge, the Pope or the Vatican never issued any permits for the removal of the first Christians of North America's remains, to the basement of Danish National Museum ?
It alway makes med sick when some archaeologist tells me:"I was on a trip to the National Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen, and was allowed to hold Leif Ericsons bones in my hand".
Another small group of Vikings's from Iceland, using the knowledge of Gunnbjoern's discovery, and predating Eric the Red's tree year banishment for murder from Iceland, set sail for Eastern Greenland, which has a very harsh winter climate, came back to Iceland the following spring, barely alive.
Knowing the troubles that particualr group of settlers went through, Eric the Red decided to sail further south along the Eastern Greenland, and found the lush vegetations of the southern Greenlandic fjords, which among others, were warm enough to grow hay for the winter.
With irrigation, the Bishop of Greenland was able to harvest hay, twice a year, taking advantage of the 24 hours of sunlight in summer time.
The remains of all these first Christians of North America, was in an act of grave robbery, in 1962, removed from their pre-reformation Christian graves in Greenland by Danish Archaeologist, to the Danish National Museum, Copenhagen, basement for "scientific study", were the remain to this day.
To best of my knowledge, the Pope or the Vatican never issued any permits for the removal of the first Christians of North America's remains, to the basement of Danish National Museum ?
It alway makes med sick when some archaeologist tells me:"I was on a trip to the National Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen, and was allowed to hold Leif Ericsons bones in my hand".
I do remember when those excavations at Battahlid were done. It was on the cover of LIFE magazine and a big photostory inside. They were able to identify Thjodhild and, they were quite certain, Eric the Red himself. He was, in his own way, a great man with a flaw. With modern DNA testing, it might be possible to identify the whole family except for Snorri, the first European born in North America proper (about 1004). Snorri died in Iceland.
But they didn't find Bjarni: he moved back to Iceland about 1000 and died at home, on his farm by what is now Eyrarbakki, about 1020.
I can really sympathise with your anger, friend. The biggest collection of Beothuk relics to be found anywhere is in the little museum on Exploits Island in Notre Dame Bay inNewfoundland. They are all plastic. The ORIGINALS are in the National Museum of Man in OTTAWA. And they are very nearly everything that remains from an entire culture.
Royal Library in Kjobenhavn also has the biggest collection of manuscripts of the Sagas. They belong in Iceland.
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But they didn't find Bjarni: he moved back to Iceland about 1000 and died at home, on his farm by what is now Eyrarbakki, about 1020.
I can really sympathise with your anger, friend. The biggest collection of Beothuk relics to be found anywhere is in the little museum on Exploits Island in Notre Dame Bay inNewfoundland. They are all plastic. The ORIGINALS are in the National Museum of Man in OTTAWA. And they are very nearly everything that remains from an entire culture.
Royal Library in Kjobenhavn also has the biggest collection of manuscripts of the Sagas. They belong in Iceland.
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Wow... what a tangent from the original post
As for 1421 - for those of you like me who prefer to wait for the movie... its done
You can save yourself the read and watch the 1 hour documentary on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgWzahvhPKw
Remeniscant of Zeitgeist and The DaVinci Code IMO. Alot of facts with half-assed "trust me" justification. Just because its in a book, newspaper, seen on TV, or on the internet - doesn't make it true. Folks love conspiracy's, and that sells. I guess thats where being objective comes into play.
As for 1421 - for those of you like me who prefer to wait for the movie... its done
You can save yourself the read and watch the 1 hour documentary on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgWzahvhPKw
Remeniscant of Zeitgeist and The DaVinci Code IMO. Alot of facts with half-assed "trust me" justification. Just because its in a book, newspaper, seen on TV, or on the internet - doesn't make it true. Folks love conspiracy's, and that sells. I guess thats where being objective comes into play.
If it wasn't for the Russians signing a pact with the Germans, that allowed the the war to happen, we wouldn't even have to consider any kind of question about speaking German.
Yup, they stabbed the Poles in the back. Perhaps the Poles could have stood a bit longer if the Russians didn't come by to conquor some land. I recall my grandmother telling me that she prefurred ocupation by the Nazi's to occupation by the Russians. Now thats a telling statement. She lived on a farm outside Lvow (today Lviv).
What do you people think would have happened to the globe if Hitler left Stalin alone and was allowed to take all of europe only to be then gobbled up by Stalin himself? Some people beleive Hitler preemptively attacked the USSR. Seeing what kind of person Stalin was I wouldn't be surprised.
Also why are people always saying Germany started WW2 by invading Poland but completely forget it was Germany and the USSR? If Hitler needed to be stopped because he was invading neighboring countries and killing so many people why was Stalin given a pass for doing the exact same thing but possibly even worse?
Also why are people always saying Germany started WW2 by invading Poland but completely forget it was Germany and the USSR? If Hitler needed to be stopped because he was invading neighboring countries and killing so many people why was Stalin given a pass for doing the exact same thing but possibly even worse?
Being objective can be VERY difficult fo a historian. There ARE no objective accounts: they are ALL biased, and that includes anything I write..... and that is supposed to be my business.
The trouble is that somebody taught the peasants to write... and some of them enjoy doing it.
It was all so very much easier when the winning general wrote the definitive version of history after sacrificing the defeated leadership to the gods of Rome (Marius is a case in point, his nephew Caius Julius Caesar another).
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The trouble is that somebody taught the peasants to write... and some of them enjoy doing it.
It was all so very much easier when the winning general wrote the definitive version of history after sacrificing the defeated leadership to the gods of Rome (Marius is a case in point, his nephew Caius Julius Caesar another).
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Hitler had 18.5 million germans in uniform and had, at the time, some of the best weaponry in the world. Still, the Germans lost WW2 big time.
By endless supply of arms to, and using Russians as a proxy's, and willing to fight the Germans to the last Russian, the US clearly came out as THE winner of WW2.
After WW2, the best brains behind the German war efforts, militarily and technically, moved to the US, further ensuring the US world military dominance after WW2.
I guess by now, the old worlds leaders, albeit reluctantly, recognize the WW2 history lessons learned the hard way, that the US immigrant society, is now THE world leaders.
Neither Hitler, Stalin or for that matter, rest of the the other world leaders at the time, was able to forecast such a dramatic turn of event of WW2, who all, clearly from the onset, underestimated the political will of the US immigrant populations, as well as the capacities of the US the military industrial complex, which dwarfed all the other combatant countries, combined.
By endless supply of arms to, and using Russians as a proxy's, and willing to fight the Germans to the last Russian, the US clearly came out as THE winner of WW2.
After WW2, the best brains behind the German war efforts, militarily and technically, moved to the US, further ensuring the US world military dominance after WW2.
I guess by now, the old worlds leaders, albeit reluctantly, recognize the WW2 history lessons learned the hard way, that the US immigrant society, is now THE world leaders.
Neither Hitler, Stalin or for that matter, rest of the the other world leaders at the time, was able to forecast such a dramatic turn of event of WW2, who all, clearly from the onset, underestimated the political will of the US immigrant populations, as well as the capacities of the US the military industrial complex, which dwarfed all the other combatant countries, combined.
Stalin signed a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany because He was greedy and knew he wasn't prepared for war with Germany at the time. Hitler started WW2 by annexing Austria, the Sudatenland(ethnic German area of Czechoslovakia) and actually invading Czechoslovakia. The invasion of Poland was the straw that broke the camel's back and by then Hitler was surprised at the French and British declarations of war. At no time were 18.5 million Germans in uniform unless you're including Hitler Youth, firemen, boy scouts, milkmen, nuns, priests, railway workers,bus drivers,nurses,school children and mailmen. The entire population of Greater Germany was only 80 million and one in 4 people cannot be under arms anywhere. Still, the day he invaded the U.S.S.R. is generally believed to be the day he lost the war.
