Last minute CDPA/IDPA-style safety/holster certification course

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Sorry folks for the last-minute notice, but some people cancelled and we have 3-4 spots available. it was a club-only course, but we are opening it up to other shooters.
Topics Sport background, rules, safety, scoring, range commands, dry fire practice
Date/Time: Friday Dec 8th 7:00 pm to 10:30 pm
Saturday Dec 9th 8:00 am to 4:30 pm.
Location: Sportsmen’s Club, Galt. Cambridge, ON.
indoor range
Equipment 1. Hearing & eye protection
2. Pistol or revolver 38spc or larger caliber, yes also 9mm.
3. 3 or more magazines/speed loaders for your handgun
4. One 2 mag poach or 2 single mag pouches for mags & 2 singles or one double carrier for speed loaders.
5. One wide stiff belt that will fit through the belt loops of your trousers.
6. Holster that covers trigger guard and retains pistol while jumping around.
Holster must be strong side carry, vertical or slight rear rake, fit close to body and be concealable. NO cross draws.
7. 250 rounds of ammo minimum. Recommend 350
For further explanation of equipment go to www.idpa.com & check rules.
Fees $50 per candidate payable to Canadian Shooting Sports Association + $15 payable to the Sportsmen's Club (total of $65)
Certificate Yes, all candidates who pass will receive a competitors certificate from CSSA.
Membership: All candidates must be members of CSSA or be prepared to join at time course
Results All candidates will be able to safely and smoothly draw from holsters fire multiple rounds at multiple targets & re-holster. Draw & engage targets while on the move and draw from concealed carry position.
Candidates will learn reload with retention, tactical reloads, and reload from lock back.
Candidates will also have a good understanding of rules, scoring and procedures for shooting this discipline.
Candidates should also be able to significantly improve their shooting skills from participation in this course.
Contact: PM or email me at mrefaat@hotmail.com (fastest way)
 
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Are you IDPA sanctioned? IDPA is not associated in any way/part with CSSA. There is no requirement to be a member of CSSA. Also IDPA does not charge for training other than range fees and targets.

If your not an active member of IDPA, and/or are not sanctioned by IDPA as an official IDPA instructor I suggest you cease advertizing as being IDPA.

I thank you in advance.
 
I assume this course should properly be called a CDPA course which is indeed sanctioned by CSSA.

Now whether or not this course is could be clarified.
 
maybe there is some mis-understanding, let me clarify....
There is no affiliation with IDPA, the course teaches IDPA rules as well as "holster certification" from the CSSA.
the sole purpose is to allow shooters to compete in IDPA-style matches and provides the RO with confidence that the individual has had formal training on holster use.

the other alternative is to do a Black Badge course to be "holster certified" but it is very IPSC centric.
I changed the title to reflect "CDPA"

BTW, I am not delivering the course, I am just facilitating it for the benefit of everybosy else. The CSSA is.
 
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I see CSSA is trying to rip everyone off for 50 bucks !
If they are so damn concerned about safety, tell em give the course FREE !
They do the same for the ATT instructors, and range officers
 
well if your not a member of the CSSA, your not really supporting gun rights are you? whats $50 for the cause?
 
well, this covers the instructor's expenses, transportation to come down, food and accomodation, targets, etc.

I remember paying a lot more for the Black Badge.
 
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well, this covers the instructor's expenses, transportation to come down, food and accomodation, targets, etc.

I remember paying a lot more for the Black Badge.
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So, is this $50 for the CSSA, or for you the instructor?

I really don't think the CSSA should be approving or disapproving anybody's competence in anything, by the way. The CSSA should be defending our rights, not acting as if they are the licensing body.

The CSSA must immediately divorce itself from this sort of business.

I smell something extraordinarily stinky.
 
When I became an ATT instructor, we were all told we CAN NOT charge anything to profit from the CSSA lessons we learned
As well, the guys who taught us said they do it for FREE. My club does hunting ed classes, ATT, and PAL classes for club member and families FREE.
All I was saying was, everyone wants to take the cash, instead of getting something out there , just to do it, instead of making a buck
Some of us are not flush with cash, and still want to make an impact. With some places, if you dont have the money, you cant be involved
 
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So, is this $50 for the CSSA, or for you the instructor?

I really don't think the CSSA should be approving or disapproving anybody's competence in anything, by the way. The CSSA should be defending our rights, not acting as if they are the licensing body.

The CSSA must immediately divorce itself from this sort of business.

I smell something extraordinarily stinky.
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This is nonsense - this is what CSSA does. The lobby org is CILA. CSSA has been doing competition training for ages, depending on manpower and resources. It trained PPC shooters for years. It costs money to run courses, regardless of who puts them on. The CDPA course is a good one. Why wouldn't someone participate? We had one shooter bail - he was afraid of his gun. I would rather have that sorted out on a course than on a fire line. Practically every newbie will benefit from any course weekend to get started - why would you trash it? If $50 for a once only course is a burden, you can't afford a shooting hobby.
 
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The CDPA course is a good one. Why wouldn't someone participate? We had one shooter bail - he was afraid of his gun. I would rather have that sorted out on a course than on a fire line. Practically every newbie will benefit from any course weekend to get started - why would you trash it? If $50 for a once only course is a burden, you can't afford a shooting hobby.
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Great points, Skip.

Perhaps we also need to develop more instructors and have the course fee go towards targets, patches, IDPA membership rather than to the instructor. Also, we don't call IPSC, CPSC so maybe CDPA is the wrong name?

I'm a volunteer instructor too (BB) and would like my costs offset but it does rub some people the wrong way.

Not throwing a shot here, just making a point!
 
I really don't get the infighting - yes, these are not brain surgery skills, but there are some fundamental awareness issues for everybody's safety that the "holster" courses are intended to cover. Many of the commenters have received formal training in police or military, but that's not the case for everybody.

I don't where exactly IPDA/CDPA has or is going off the rails. CDPA was promoted originally as an honest attempt by CSSA to promote and integrate IPDA into the Canadian legal environment, and development and promote courses to ensure a common safety standard for participants so that truly national leagues could become established.

In Ontario, the CFO requires that CSSA carry a safety training burden for handguns, so its natural that they would try to develop comprehensive programs transportable to clubs that don't have the particular expertise. The infighting is killing us - we need a national council of participants in IPDA, IPSC, PPC and CDPA/CDP to come together and formulate a set of standards for the disciplines in the Canadian context, without hampering any more than necessary the international competitiveness of the disciplines. The reality is - MOST Canadian participants will not shoot internationally.
 
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we need a national council of participants in IPDA, IPSC, PPC and CDPA/CDP to come together and formulate a set of standards for the disciplines in the Canadian context, without hampering any more than necessary the international competitiveness of the disciplines.
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IPSC has a set of standards and rules that satisfy both the Intarnationals rules as well as the limitations of Canadian Law...it's never been much of an issue

I see no reason why (x)DPA can't do the same thing.

I agree that the infighting is not necessary (annoying in fact)...but I do think that the 4 or so flavours of defensive pistol in Canada are causing some confusion.

IDPA - International...Defensive Pistol
IDPA - Independent...Defensive Pistol
CDPA - Canadian...Defensive Pistol

and there's one more I can't think of at the moment (it may just be in Ontario)

If you want to make a giant leap forward...i would suggest starting with some attempt at uniting the various (x)DPA groups. Probably not at the organizational level...but at least the participants

Just my .02
 
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Skip and Quig,

Uniting the varying groups is the real key to the longevity of the sport! CFO Ontario has handed us an edict that we have to live by (provision of handgun training) so we might as well marry up CDPA and IDPA or whatever we want to call it, get IDPA affiliation and head out from there.

You guys are both right that in-fighting is not gonna solve anything and it may even drive shooters away!:(
 
Maybe Larry Whitmore or Dave Burke can chime in here, but it was my understanding that CSSA had IDPA affiliation with CDPA/CDP - that was what was originally promoted. I fear this has gone like PPC, where every club it seems has its own variation on what it is. There needs to be a consolidation within these disciplines (and perhaps an agreement of a simpler club level set of rules that makes its easier for a club to put on a fun shoot without getting into a fight as whether its (x)PDA or whatever). It seems that this is at the core of this issue. Not every club has the wherewithall to run regular sanctioned matches, yet the sport benefits from some level of organization that allows people to at least participate in some competitive basics.

It may be appropriate for CSSA (or IPDA) to design an afternoon basic skills/safety course for CDPA so beginners could get the ground work done, and go on to shoot some club level "fun" (x)DPA courses to get their feet wet. Still maintain the 2 day course for people with a more advanced interest.
BTW, I wasn't suggesting the IPSC retools its rules, I was just being inclusive...;) :D
 
Skip said:
Maybe Larry Whitmore or Dave Burke can chime in here, but it was my understanding that CSSA had IDPA affiliation with CDPA/CDP - that was what was originally promoted.
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Maybe Pops can verify...I'm pretty sure he and a few fellow CGN'ers started up IDPA in his area (with full affiliation)
 
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