Lee Load Master vs. Lee Pro 1000

Hotwheels81 said:
Hmmmm I'm betting a SDB would kick the LM ass in every respect except the additional station so it kinda gives the LM an edge if it will cycle long enough to get the case under it :snicker:
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Wow is your math that bad or are you that stuck in comparing things that are 2 and 3 times the price of something else and then calling the cheaper stuff crap, and the fact that the Loadmaster is progressive and the Square deal is not? A square deal is still double a Loadmaster and it's not progressive like the LM is. If you compared a non-progressive Lee with the Square Deal, it would be at least triple the price again . . . tsk tsk tsk trying to skew the facts again. Obviously it wasn't by accident the first time around and you're proving how skewed you are with continuing comparisons of vastly different priced items.

Square Deal still double the price of a Loadmaster.
http://www.brianenos.com/store/dillon.sqdeal.html
 
I can say that the loadmaster works very well, until something changes and you don't notice it. I did about 400 rounds of 40sw, then came the primer problems. Frustrating to say the least! Clear the problem and it kept coming back... Found the turret became slightly loose and that created the problem. It took a while to notice the problem and ensure the turret was always tight. Similar problem with primers due to shell plate bolt coming loose. Noticed that right away. These 2 caused me some grief until I understood the problem. Switched to 9 mm. 2,000 rounds later and the next primer/casing jamb shows up. I think I have the upper hand, but fail to notice the primer removal pin has been pushed up, as it turns out by a stray SS pin in the casing. That leads to a number of old primers blocking the new ones and said primer problems. The casing guides need to be tight, but not too tight that you can't easily remove any problem casings.

So now that I have seen the most common problems, and can SEE them - seems obvious, but not for a newbie, I haven't seen a problem that wasn't MY fault in a while. However, you do need to:
- continually ensure the turret is tight,
- keep an eye on the shell plate thumb bolt,
- ensure the primer removal pin is in place,
- ensure the guides are keeping the casings tight,
- remember to load enough primers, and finally

Place a bullet on the casing for every upstroke, especially when you are distracted.

Oh, I forgot too add to empty the primer drop before it gets too full. Almost had that happen!

For the just under $300 delivered to my door, I am very happy with its performance so far - 5,000 and counting.
 
Plinky said:
Wow is your math that bad or are you that stuck in comparing things that are 2 and 3 times the price of something else and then calling the cheaper stuff crap, and the fact that the Loadmaster is progressive and the Square deal is not? A square deal is still double a Loadmaster and it's not progressive like the LM is. If you compared a non-progressive Lee with the Square Deal, it would be at least triple the price again . . . tsk tsk tsk trying to skew the facts again. Obviously it wasn't by accident the first time around and you're proving how skewed you are with continuing comparisons of vastly different priced items.

Square Deal still double the price of a Loadmaster.
http://www.brianenos.com/store/dillon.sqdeal.html
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My facts are all out in the open up front while your hurling insults to distract from the FACT that your trying to argue that a piece of junk is a better value.

Ok fine, the LM even tho it is unreliable or unuseable out of the box and requires constant fiddling and tweaking and maintenance and the odd (ha!) part replaced... Is according to you a better deal than a machine that costs $100-$1000 more depending what web store you choose to look at on any given day at any given exchange rate providing it's been in stock in canada before the currency took a swing and the greedy business owner adjusted his prices or not counting shipping handling or availability....

There, want a cookie?

Btw... The SDB is infact a progressive press, says so on that link you provided.... Got anything new to add or you just going to keep regurgitating the same crap so I can poke holes in again and again?
 
I haven't had the turret and shell plate issues, but regarding the primers, I put a little powdered graphite (dry lube) into the feed trough, and make sure there are at least a few primers left in the tray at the top of the feed trough at a minimum, and I have very few primer problems. I typically load about 1000 rounds at a time, and I have gone multiple sessions of reloading without having a primer issue yet. The most I do is before I start, I puff a little dry graphite into the trough and run a pipe cleaner through it before attaching the tray.

I also stopped de-capping on the LM as I like to wet rotary tumbler with the primers out so the pockets get cleaned out as well. Not sure if this adds to my reliability as I have pretty much only ever done it this way (I did a few small test batches playing with various case-preps and setups before settling on my current process which now has me de-capping off the press, and wet-tumbling with stainless media before running the cases through the press. I left the de-capping station in as I use a universal, and then a sizer on station 2 with the simultaneous priming, powder drop on 3, insert projectile on 4, and crimp on 5. I have heard that the de-capping pin at station 1 positions the case in the shell plate for more consistent priming at station 2. Again not sure if this is true as I have only ever run the LM as a 5 station as described.
 
Hotwheels81 said:
My facts are all out in the open up front while your hurling insults to distract from the FACT that your trying to argue that a piece of junk is a better value.

Ok fine, the LM even tho it is unreliable or unuseable out of the box and requires constant fiddling and tweaking and maintenance and the odd (ha!) part replaced... Is according to you a better deal than a machine that costs $100-$1000 more depending what web store you choose to look at on any given day at any given exchange rate providing it's been in stock in canada before the currency took a swing and the greedy business owner adjusted his prices or not counting shipping handling or availability....

There, want a cookie?

Btw... The SDB is infact a progressive press, says so on that link you provided.... Got anything new to add or you just going to keep regurgitating the same crap so I can poke holes in again and again?
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OK then show me a single Dillon that is comparably priced with a Lee with the same features like case feeders. I'll be waiting. You let me know when Dillon makes such a press. And then compare them.
 
Not sure why you're getting emotionally invested in this, bud

Fact is my machine is over 20 years old, has loaded tens of thousands of rounds and I really do not see value at this point in spending more than a few thousand to retool to a new machine that gives me nothing that I cannot already do with mine.

Except perhaps the ability to wank with one hand and crank with the other - not a selling feature at this point in life

Now, if you want to get snobby about it, I concede that your expensive tools are more impressive than my less expensive ones.

Rejoice and be awesome
 
Mark-II said:
Not sure why you're getting emotionally invested in this, bud

Fact is my machine is over 20 years old, has loaded tens of thousands of rounds and I really do not see value at this point in spending more than a few thousand to retool to a new machine that gives me nothing that I cannot already do with mine.

Except perhaps the ability to wank with one hand and crank with the other - not a selling feature at this point in life

Now, if you want to get snobby about it, I concede that your expensive tools are more impressive than my less expensive ones.

Rejoice and be awesome
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Well said!:agree:
 
Plinky said:
OK then show me a single Dillon that is comparably priced with a Lee with the same features like case feeders. I'll be waiting. You let me know when Dillon makes such a press. And then compare them.
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First show me a Lee progressive that can get thru 100 rounds without having to fiddle with it...

Touché.
 
Compare the square deal to the load master and you will see that dollar for dollar lee progressives are a joke. Sure conversions are not cheap for the square deal but are no far off what a shell plate and set of dies would be for a load master. I used a pro 1000 for a long time till the primer feed messed up, so I stopped using it, the case feed stopped working right.. So I stopped using it. The plate started not indexing proper .. I snapped and ripped it off my bench as quick as possible . Been buying Dillion's ever since
 
Mark-II said:
Not sure why you're getting emotionally invested in this, bud

Fact is my machine is over 20 years old, has loaded tens of thousands of rounds and I really do not see value at this point in spending more than a few thousand to retool to a new machine that gives me nothing that I cannot already do with mine.

Except perhaps the ability to wank with one hand and crank with the other - not a selling feature at this point in life

Now, if you want to get snobby about it, I concede that your expensive tools are more impressive than my less expensive ones.

Rejoice and be awesome
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Believe me, if a LM was all sunshine and fairy dust as most of you would have the general population believe I would have one in every caliber I reload for... I am a fan of quality gear and more so gear that just plain works without unnecessary grief, honestly can you tell me your LM has been hassle free and would be a good buy for someone of unknown problem solving skill? Is it "idot proof"? Or is it something that requires the owner to be a handyman with narcotic induced patience? Honestly now.

I'm not being emotional, I'm tossing out facts, information, a good argument... Then having to respond to differently worded pokes by the same few knob's again and again only to be called dumb because they can't put up a good argument... That's pure fun for me.
 
Plinky said:
lol, you mean like mine and others on this forum? What do you wanna watch a video of 100 rounds being reloaded?
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Put 100 primers in the feeder, 100 cases in the tubes and run thru all 100 without your hand touching anything but the press handle and the bullets.... Yup.
 
Hotwheels81 said:
Put 100 primers in the feeder, 100 cases in the tubes and run thru all 100 without your hand touching anything but the press handle and the bullets.... Yup.
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Sure, and I'll get right to that when you can show me a Dillon that is comparably priced to a Lee with similar features lol
 
Hotwheels81 said:
Believe me, if a LM was all sunshine and fairy dust as most of you would have the general population believe I would have one in every caliber I reload for... I am a fan of quality gear and more so gear that just plain works without unnecessary grief, honestly can you tell me your LM has been hassle free and would be a good buy for someone of unknown problem solving skill? Is it "idot proof"? Or is it something that requires the owner to be a handyman with narcotic induced patience? Honestly now.

I'm not being emotional, I'm tossing out facts, information, a good argument... Then having to respond to differently worded pokes by the same few knob's again and again only to be called dumb because they can't put up a good argument... That's pure fun for me.
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Just because you need idiot proof doesn't mean everyone else does. Honestly now.

The only thing you are poking at is your credibility to fairly compare reloaders of pricing that are double and triple the price of another and calling it a fair comparison.
 
Plinky said:
Sure, and I'll get right to that when you can show me a Dillon that is comparably priced to a Lee with similar features lol
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You mean a jammy piece of crap case feeder? That's basicly the only feature the square deal does not have on the load master. And if you take the tinker time spent on a lee, you are much quicker with the plug and play square deal
 
A 650 is $566 from Dillon a LM is $366 bucks from Lee.... Where the hell do you keep getting this 2-3x the price garbage from? Your the one manipulating facts NOT ME now say your sorry and go sit in the corner.

Can I be any more clear on this?
 
Hotwheels81 said:
Oh sorry it's actually $384

http://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses/progressive-presses/load-master-reloading-press/


http://m.dillonprecision.com/mcontent/p/9/pid/23803/catid/1/XL_650


There, manufacturer direct MSRP prices, apples to apples, special deals not considerd.
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Plinky said:
I can do the same biased linking and find the highest XL650, and the cheapest Loadmaster as well, not to mention the huge difference in pricing for components that don't come in those prices, but many reloaders use such as the case feeder. All you need to add with the Loadmaster is the sorting tray for $12. Or $250 with Dillon for the XL 650 since no case feeder comes with it. And being fair with my linking unlike you were, here's pricing from Brian Enos, whom many reloaders know and respect for their reloading supplies. So now you're talking $775 vs $275 ish. So it's still triple the price. I got my Loadmaster for about $225-250 when it was on $50 off on sale at Cabelas less than a year ago.

$775 for the 650 with the case feeder
http://www.brianenos.com/store/dillon.650.html

Here it is at Cabelas, not on sale, for about $275 with the case feeder.
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/sear...ter&x=10&y=6&WTz_l=Header;Search-All+Products
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$775/$275 = 2.82

Oh and you're $556 pricing does not include the case feeder for example which is a very reasonably priced $220, which makes it $776. You keep forgetting that case feeder part don't you?

http://www.brianenos.com/store/dillon.650.html
 
skip1600 said:
You mean a jammy piece of crap case feeder? That's basicly the only feature the square deal does not have on the load master. And if you take the tinker time spent on a lee, you are much quicker with the plug and play square deal
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He's trying to weasle out of it because you can't load that way on a LM, tubes need to be rotated to feed cases because the LM does not infact use a case feeder just a collator... He knows it too and I was being nice by not bringing that argument into play.
 
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