Lee Load Master vs. Lee Pro 1000

[wasrupzuk]

Girls, girls...your all pretty....FFS.
Should I put IBTL?
Blue presses are quality kit, they don't cure cancer but they are nice...
My repeated 2 cents:
I've loaded thousands of rounds on a single Pro1000 in a multitude of calibers none of which were completely painless but for the most part nothing but quality ammo came out.
I'm pretty mechanically inclined but I'm not an inventor or mechanic by trade and I never felt it was too much.
Pro1000 limitations;
-3 stations is limiting.
-due to 3 stations the rotational speed causes spillage.
-requires mechanical aptitude to keep running.
Also note; the only part that has ever broke is the chain (which I quit using).
The loadmaster...I used a friends- he's loaded almost a hundred thousand rounds with it and he likes it...
I do not like the indexing design nor do I like the priming system design.
The 650, I considered one as they are a popular press but by the time I added all the accessories the price was considerable to say the least, definitely not what is posted here...
After my research I chose a LNL with most of the bells & whistles and so far I like it and haven't found a weakness with it. The powder handling, primer system and indexing smoothness is top notch as is the case feeder and the control panel for powder/primer quantity.
But budget is everything and knowing ones limitations should have influence over expenditures.
If you get aggravated easily and can't figure out basic mechanics or if you have the means to enjoy the finer things in life then by all means avoid the Lee.
If you have limited budget and a strong desire to shoot lots (and you know how to play with mechanical things) then don't worry about it and get a Lee (preferably a Pro1000).

 

[Hotwheels81]

Hotwheels81, what kinda tools do you own? I'm guessing you wouldn't dare own anything master craft?


Dillion is a great piece machinery but ignorant fan boys like you seem to have trouble grasping the fact that Lee presses cost what they cost for a reason. They are the equivalent of Norinco and master craft. Some of their stuff is crap and there isn't much getting around that. But for the most part it's a great product at a great price.

I own Mac, snap-on, OTC, Ultrapro, mastercraft wrenches are a personal favorite of mine and the gear wrench's they sell are a fraction of the cost of the same wrenches they sell on most tool trucks made by? Yup... Gear wrench...

See now you can't really be that hard on me, I owned a LM and have crossed paths with others who own or owned them, my opinion is sound and informed that it's a steaming pile of poop I really don't know what is so hard to understand about that? I bought a Dillon after owning a LM, I unboxed my 650 and mounted it where the LM was and within a half hour I had dies set and was churning out 9mm as fast as I could pull the handle, it's been in the same spot in my loading room now since I bought it and all I've done it clean it when I swap calibers and lube the linkage every now an then... No fiddling with stuff just straight up usage...

If the LM was as reliable and hassle free as my Dillon the LM would still be on my bench next to 4-5 more of them because the price is actually pretty decent but it's just not :shrug:

I'm not just a Dillon fan boy, the basis of my single stage reloading gear is still a Lee 50th kit and I really really like of all things that damn scale that nobody else likes?! Because it works and is accurate for me... The LM has been a pain in the side of the reloading community for a long time and even in the Lee fan club it's a 50/50 love hate thing with everyone who loves it starting off by praising how good it is then adding "after I fixed/adjusted/tweaked/replaced"... Why would anybody buy a new progressive machine and be at all happy with having to fix it and babysit it from the first time you open the box till you either accept that it's normal to be finicky or unload it at a yard sale for a loss? It defies logic?!?!

 

[Mark-II]

Believe me, if a LM was all sunshine and fairy dust as most of you would have the general population believe I would have one in every caliber I reload for... I am a fan of quality gear and more so gear that just plain works without unnecessary grief, honestly can you tell me your LM has been hassle free and would be a good buy for someone of unknown problem solving skill? Is it "idot proof"? Or is it something that requires the owner to be a handyman with narcotic induced patience? Honestly now.



I'm not being emotional, I'm tossing out facts, information, a good argument... Then having to respond to differently worded pokes by the same few knob's again and again only to be called dumb because they can't put up a good argument... That's pure fun for me.

Yet you're the one jumping all over everyone in a post that is about LM vs Pro1000, dragging it utterly off topic.

I've the Pro, btw. It works. It doesn't require an engineering degree from the Red Green institute of applied duct tape.

It does require you to focus on what you are doing.

If you're approaching reloading from an appliance perspective, that's a bad state of mind to get into with any complex machine.

And if someone isn't terribly mechanically inclined or process oriented, then a progressive press is the last thing that they should jump into reloading with, and that goes for all brands.

I've said my piece, shared my experiences, and since you've outed yourself as trolling, I'll leave you to it.

 

[jethunter]

IF you don't mind doing a bit of tinkering and you don't load really high volume, either of the LEE presses will work for you. Depends on you, your mechanical aptitude, and patience.
IF you want something to run out of the box and don't mind paying more for it, then look at a Dillon. There is no doubt it is better designed and better built, and you can make more ammo with less effort. But a LEE press will work.

 

[Zedbra]

It's too bad a few bad apples messed up an informative thread. I'm looking at getting into reloading and am trying to read all the info I can to make my own decision, so threads like this are appreciated until the internet heroes / zeroes got involved.

I have been considering the Hornady kit as my local shop has a few, but finding info on them is a little more scarce. Lee is looking like a decent value as I don't need to load more than 200 rounds at any time.

 

[Spawn-Inc]

It's too bad a few bad apples messed up an informative thread. I'm looking at getting into reloading and am trying to read all the info I can to make my own decision, so threads like this are appreciated until the internet heroes / zeroes got involved.

I have been considering the Hornady kit as my local shop has a few, but finding info on them is a little more scarce. Lee is looking like a decent value as I don't need to load more than 200 rounds at any time.

Outside of the name calling I think this was a successful thread, many pros and cons were listed on the lee and Dillion presses.

In terms of quality the order is Dillion, hornady, and Lee. They would be the main 3 progressive presses.
Price wise it's Lee, hornady, Dillion. The last 2 being fairly close in price.

 

[Hotwheels81]

I've said my piece, shared my experiences, and since you've outed yourself as trolling, I'll leave you to it.

Yes indeed... Thanks for adding all the useful information to this thread, pictures, links, details, areas of critique...

Now back under YOUR bridge.

 

[Hotwheels81]

It's too bad a few bad apples messed up an informative thread. I'm looking at getting into reloading and am trying to read all the info I can to make my own decision, so threads like this are appreciated until the internet heroes / zeroes got involved.

I have been considering the Hornady kit as my local shop has a few, but finding info on them is a little more scarce. Lee is looking like a decent value as I don't need to load more than 200 rounds at any time.

Still one of the best comparison threads on the internet and it's a sticky at the top of the page

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/127691-dillon-lee-hornady-progressive-comparison

The LNL AP was still fairly new to the market up here when I bought my LM and RCBS had just introduced a progressive around that time as well so I did plenty of digging, do your homework is always the best route because "how to fix" articles are far less biased than "what's better" threads.

 

[BCRider]

....I have been considering the Hornady kit as my local shop has a few, but finding info on them is a little more scarce. Lee is looking like a decent value as I don't need to load more than 200 rounds at any time.

Is that the single stage press with extras or the AP progressive press?

If it's the SS kit then I can offer something. I recently replaced a Lee SS which didn't line up between the ram and the die mount. I don't know if the Lee came that way or if it had been bent way back in the past. All I know is that the cases were being cocked to one side as they entered the dies. That one I literally tossed in the trash after taking the ram itself out to give to my buddy that I had given the Lee Classic Turret press to.

I replaced it with the Hornady SS and could not be happier other than one little thing. Finding the primer dispensing tube kit is just about as easy as finding a live unicorn. So until I can either find one or make up something I'm stuck with either putting them into the primer arm one at a time by hand or using the hand primer. Other brands don't make it quite as hard. But aside from that little niggle it's a fine product. The breech lock LnL system is brilliant! It's pretty much just as fast to switch dies as a turret press.

If it's the AP press you're looking at that I can't help you. I've only seen one sitting in a store.