Legalities of cutting a rifle barre already under 18 inches

Ahhh, too bad Rick got banned. Hope he gets back in soon. I’ve appreciated his past posts. Emotions run high in these trying times.
There have plenty of threads dissecting the legalities of cutting down barrels. Usually found in the Legalese forum. No need for this animosity in the Gunsmithing forum.
 
Well I know that you can take a restricted pistol and shorten the barrel my brother did it with a six inch smith and Wesson revolver that was damaged he was told barrel had to stay above the 4 and an 1/8 of an inch he was allowed to do it himself he just had to call in and let them know the new length and they updated the reg certificate this was explained to me again yesterday by a nice woman at CFC the other day when I verified a pal and I asked her same question as I did here I then said no man it’s a non restricted bolt action rifle with a barrel already under 18 inches I already knew I had to speak to the techs it’s lunch now so gonna give them an other call rite now
 
Jimbo - your brother started with a restricted revolver and ended up with a restricted revolver. You are starting with a non-restricted rifle, and I presume that you want to keep it to that classification, but there seems to be reason to think that anything that you do to that barrel will result in that rifle becoming at least a restricted or more likely a prohibited. Very much looking forward to hearing what direction you are given by the "lab", and then pretty certain will be a discussion here about whether their "opinion", on a phone call, counts for anything...
 
Oh don’t worry I will get it in writing if they give me the ok to proceed I understand that about the pistol being restricted and staying restricted but this rifle is non restricted and will be still non restricted once barrel is shortened to remove the bulge it will be 27 1/2 inches total length
 
Oh don’t worry I will get it in writing if they give me the ok to proceed I understand that about the pistol being restricted and staying restricted but this rifle is non restricted and will be still non restricted once barrel is shortened to remove the bulge it will be 27 1/2 inches total length

Jimbo, my opinion is worth just as much as anyone else's in this thread (insofar as none of it is to be construed as legal advice and relied upon in court..), but my understanding of the law is that you may not cut a barrel down below 18" irrespective of why you're doing it - doing so creates a prohibited firearm.

If you install an already-manufactured barrel, one from a gunsmith, or a factory barrel, or a barrel made by some other manufacturer, as long as that barrel was made in that length "new" and not modified from another barrel, you can install it and retain non-restricted status so long as your firearm is greater than 26" OAL including muzzle devices and buttstock spacers and whatever else have you.

Gunsmiths and manufacturers are not exempt from these restrictions - they will not shorten an existing barrel below 18". No one is shortening existing barrels legally, but manufacturing new barrels is a different story.

People are getting hung up on "altering" and taking that term as literally as possible. That is one word in a sentence of other words, all of which must be considered for context when interpreting this law - altering in the context of sawing or cutting an existing barrel.

If this was a Remington 870, you might have bought it with a 30" duck barrel, but you can absolutely install a 14" or 12" factory barrel, or a Dlask manufactured 14" or 12" barrel. You can hack-saw that factory 30" barrel as much as you want, so long as it's overall length is greater than 18" when you're finished. If you cut it down past that, it's prohibited.

Bradley
 
Oh don’t worry I will get it in writing if they give me the ok to proceed I understand that about the pistol being restricted and staying restricted but this rifle is non restricted and will be still non restricted once barrel is shortened to remove the bulge it will be 27 1/2 inches total length

Ill be quite certain that they would say, sorry you cannot cut the barrel any shorter. While the OAL still be legal, the barrel length wouldn't.

I ran into this issue with my GSG 16 with the 9" barrel. The first barrel chamber was damaged beyond repair, and I couldn't get the barrel cut back and re chambered. Only option was new barrel. Like the Lee Enfield being built, I supplied a finished 12.5" barrel. Being that the barrel was already finished, so NO OAL could be removed. So smith needed to figure out how to adapt the receiver to mount the barrel. So legally have a rifle that was originally having a over 20" .303 barrel, now has a 12.5" 9mm.

Honestly I cannot wait to get it. Its going to be awesome, and truly a custom.
 
Finally. PaveHammer’s post is spot on. It’s as explanatory and concise as it gets. Anything more is speculative. Thank you for posting and Kudos Bradley.
 
I have no interest in what the CFC, RCMP et all have to say, expect nothing more than circular answers much as is seen during parliament sittings these days. Good luck getting anything in writing other than what is spelled out in the Act and CC.
 
So just got a call from rcmp firearms tech and here is the info if a rifle came from the factory with a barrel under 18 inches it can not be cut back but in my case cause it’s a custom barrel made from a blank for my enfield in .45 acp I am legal to shorten so long as rifle stays at 26 inches or greater so off to the lath tonight the fellow was quite helpfull
 
Established practice and interpretation is that barrel length as made is considered differently than barrel length after being cut.
This is why numerous short barrels for rifles and shotguns are being openly sold and used.

OP asked if a barrel originally less than 18" in length can be shortened.
Probably not. The law refers to a barrel being shortened to less than 18". It does not specify a barrel greater than 18" being shortened to less than 18".
So, literally speaking, a 16" barrel cut back to 12" is a barrel shortened to less than 18".
Replacing is a better idea than cutting.

This is my understanding of it as well.

So just got a call from rcmp firearms tech and here is the info if a rifle came from the factory with a barrel under 18 inches it can not be cut back but in my case cause it’s a custom barrel made from a blank for my enfield in .45 acp I am legal to shorten so long as rifle stays at 26 inches or greater so off to the lath tonight the fellow was quite helpfull

Has the barrel ever been installed? Or is it just a blank?

Is it's currently a blank then you can cut it to whatever length. If it's already been installed on a rifle then I don't think you can?

#### I hate this stuff. Even the lab can't give an answer that makes sense with regards to the written law...
 
So just got a call from rcmp firearms tech and here is the info if a rifle came from the factory with a barrel under 18 inches it can not be cut back but in my case cause it’s a custom barrel made from a blank for my enfield in .45 acp I am legal to shorten so long as rifle stays at 26 inches or greater so off to the lath tonight the fellow was quite helpfull

So, a factory barrel that is less than 18" long cannot be shortened, but a custom barrel that is less than 18" long can be shortened, with only the 26" overall length being the limiting factor.
OK.
By any chance did you record the call and get the name of the tech?
 
So, a factory barrel that is less than 18" long cannot be shortened, but a custom barrel that is less than 18" long can be shortened, with only the 26" overall length being the limiting factor.
OK.
By any chance did you record the call and get the name of the tech?

No doubt. Id want that one in writing, because if that blank has ever been installed its now a barrel and not a blank, and the law seems pretty clear on cutting barrels below 18" being a no no.
 
Yes it was installed but what you guys don’t understand is when my barrel arrived it was not fully chamberd the chamber was only half cut and there was no crowning work done I was going to send it back but thought this could work to my advantage don’t worry I have receipts for the chamber being cut properly and I never crowned it this was all explained like the tech said what you got was a semi finished barrel blank it’s all in the wording guys iam not too worried
 
I understand we all want to be fully compliant here, but does anyone think the RCMP SFSS is actually going to make a fuss about whether a custom barrel was cut after, rather than before, installation on a firearm?
 
Your bang on the money camron that is exactly what tech said to me in the end who is going to know he said keep the whole length of firearm at 26 and above and iam good to go
 
So just got a call from rcmp firearms tech and here is the info if a rifle came from the factory with a barrel under 18 inches it can not be cut back but in my case cause it’s a custom barrel made from a blank for my enfield in .45 acp I am legal to shorten so long as rifle stays at 26 inches or greater so off to the lath tonight the fellow was quite helpfull

That the stupidest thing ever. What a bunch of clowns.
 
So I have a bolt action centre fire rifle the barrel is bulged and I was wanting to cut it back to about 10.5 inches rather than buy a new barrel. ....

Somehow I misunderstood that you had a custom barrel with a partially cut chamber that was not yet crowned... I assumed that you had a barrel installed on your rifle that you wanted to cut back...
 
The custom barrel was a work in progress, so it could be finished at whatever length was desired. That is reasonable.

Here is another situation - a hypothetical one - consider a long, heavy take-off barrel. Something like a long range target rifle barrel. 4" gets cut off the breech end. No threads, no chamber, won't fit any firearm whatsoever without machine work. Is it still a barrel, that cannot be finished at less than 18", or is it now a blank, that could be finished at any desired length?
I don't know the answer, just throwing this out.
 
The custom barrel was a work in progress, so it could be finished at whatever length was desired. That is reasonable.

Here is another situation - a hypothetical one - consider a long, heavy take-off barrel. Something like a long range target rifle barrel. 4" gets cut off the breech end. No threads, no chamber, won't fit any firearm whatsoever without machine work. Is it still a barrel, that cannot be finished at less than 18", or is it now a blank, that could be finished at any desired length?
I don't know the answer, just throwing this out.

Its an interesting thought. But the moral of the story is it is not us that needs to be able to answer that question. It is for the crown to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, at your trial. And just imagine the crown trying to prove that when the guy doing the modifications died 100 years ago.

However if gun owners are to simply comply with every conceivable interpretation of our insane gun laws, then its probably best we all take up golf.

Its nonsense like this, gun laws that require us to know facts about the firearm that are often unknowable, politicians who look Canadians in the eyes and tell them with all sincerity that these laws make sense, and gun owners who bend over backwards to comply with this garbage, that tempts me to just mail my PAL back to the CFP and tell them thanks, but no thanks.
 
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