Let's see some pic's of your SxS's & O/U's
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Speaking of Mr Dawe, we have another tease of my Remington 1894 BE restock and rehab project as it inches towards the finish line. BTW, for those paying attention, please don't imagine the lengthy timeline on this project is indicative of Chris' regular work. I purposely asked him to go slow. With a second gun in with Chris now and another one getting the full treatment from a smith in Ontario and a gun repair fund that isn't bottomless, I find I need to pay attention to when the bills are going to come due. LOL
Anyway, here's a nice pic I got yesterday of the beautiful chequering work Chris does. The pattern is pulled from a Remington 1894 EE grade from 1910.
Anyway, here's a nice pic I got yesterday of the beautiful chequering work Chris does. The pattern is pulled from a Remington 1894 EE grade from 1910.
Speaking of Mr Dawe, we have another tease of my Remington 1894 BE restock and rehab project as it inches towards the finish line. BTW, for those paying attention, please don't imagine the lengthy timeline on this project is indicative of Chris' regular work. I purposely asked him to go slow. With a second gun in with Chris now and another one getting the full treatment from a smith in Ontario and a gun repair fund that isn't bottomless, I find I need to pay attention to when the bills are going to come due. LOL
Anyway, here's a nice pic I got yesterday of the beautiful chequering work Chris does. The pattern is pulled from a Remington 1894 EE grade from 1910.
That looks real good, Canvasback. What is the inspiration for the checkering pattern?
I have a Perazzi MT6 which has the same striped receiver as your TMX---it is indeed distinctive and it is seldom confused with other guns in the rack at my gun club.
Have you given any thought to sculpturing the receiver that would allow engraving---might also assist the aesthetics particularly when case coloured---would the resemble a MX8 or Comp 1 receiver.
That's a real nice stock---is it a Perazzi upgrade?
Bill
Bill, Remington made roughly 42,000 M1894's graded from basic AE up through a highly adorned EE grade. (There are also FE grades but those are pigeon/trap guns and could be adorned equivalent to any grade, although they were mostly done similarly to BE grades). There is no ledger to be checked so the numbers of each grade are not known. To date, only about 50 or so EE grades have been located. I was lucky enough to be involved in locating and confirming the existence of one of only 7 16 gauge EE guns, the only two barrel EE set known to exist. There are also 3 Remington "Specials" that we are aware of. In 1902 when the first Special was produced they were listed for $750, significantly more than a Parker A1 Special.
Each known Remington EE gun has a unique chequering pattern and Chris used the pattern from gun #P138157, shipped in 1910, the last year of production for Remington SxS. Compared to some other EE patterns, it's a relatively simple design that we thought would work well with the grade of gun and wood. This gun will get refreshed CCH and has Damascus barrels. When it's complete there will be lots going on visually and we were trying to strike a balance.....not be over the top. Especially as this will be one of my working waterfowl guns.
The Remington 1894 is essentially an A & D boxlock. The only other American maker to use the A & D design were Harrington and Richardson, who only made several thousand, now highly sought after. Remington SxS are known to be finely made and fitted, similar in fit and finish quality to Parker. The others.....Fox, Ithaca, Lefever and LC Smith have internals that are finished quite crudely in comparison.
For interests sake, Remington also made and sold slightly more than 90,000 Model 1900, a simplified, cheaper to produce, version of the Model 1894. The 1900 can be thought of as Remington's version of a Fox Sterlingworth or Parker Trojan. The hammerless Remingtons were produced in 10, 12 and 16 gauge. Compared to their competition, relatively few 10 ga or 16 ga guns show up. It's the same for the grades.....very small numbers of the higher grades. Remington saw the writing on the wall for SxS as pump guns started to gain in popularity and stopped production and sold off all inventory and parts in 1910
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Thanks for the education---I have to admit my knowledge of high grade Rem 1894's is limited---so I just finished an on line search and was pleasantly surprised of the quality of the high grades and the $$ that they command.
I can't see the engraving on the posted pics---will that be touched up or re-engraved? Does it have ejectors? Presume it is 2 1/2"?
Please keep us informed as the gun progresses through restoration. You have a treasure.
Bill
Bill, thanks for the interest and kind words. Yes it's an ejector gun. I believe it's 2 3/4" but don't quote me on that. It's been a few years since I shot it and my notes on this gun are incomplete. I have another 1894 BE that is earlier production (1897 & 1907) and I am reluctant to go from memory as it's has been easy to confuse which gun I am thinking of.
Besides following the restocking process, I will be doing some before and after pics from the CCH process. Don't know if he's able but I may ask the gentleman doing the CCH if he would mind taking a pic of his set up (kiln and quench) and the action once it's been prepared for the kiln. I'm just not sure how comfortable he is with snapping pics and sending them via Al Gore's brainchild. The engraving on this gun is fairly crisp.....not super extensive but I think quite nice. And the Damascus barrels are still showing the pattern nicely, even though it has aged into the brown and white. When I do finally get those done in the proper black and white finish, they will POP!!
In my experience the vast majority of hammerless Remington SxS's found are AE grades or 1900's. There is next to no engraving on either the AE grade or the 1900. I mentioned earlier there are only about 50 EE grades known to exist. The number of known DE grades is even smaller. So the number of BE and CE guns in total is likely under 1000. Not that I look everywhere but in 10 years of keeping my eye out in Canada, I bought the only two BE grades I've seen for sale, and have seen a total of 3 CE come up on the block.
The action has a habit, due to some design specifics, of acting as a wedge being driven by recoil into the stock head so most 1900's and 1894's you see will have a bolt added between the cheeks to hold the stock head together. If I bought one that didn't have the bolt, I wouldn't shoot it until I had the stock glass bedded. Just asking for a split stock head otherwise. Every one of those guns is now at least 110 years old and the wood could use some care and preventative maintenance.
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Thanks Steve. You and I are in different areas of the SxS world but I sure love seeing what you post and bring to our vintage shoot.
Londonshooter
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James, Chris did an outstanding job on stock and the checkering! Who will you have finish your barrels in B & W?
John, that is still to be determined. The guy I originally had in mind for all my Damascus barrels (he'd done a number for Gunsaholic and I thought did really nice work) has hung up his tools and no longer does it. It will be the last thing to be done to the gun and likely not this year. This gun is one of three being restored that the bills will come due in 2019. There is only so much I can throw at this stuff. LOL
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Yes the stock is factory brand new and made for a TM9 but fits the TM1. I had it properly fitted and glass bedded. I was lucky as it came with the gun. The factory stock was worth more than the old TM1.
Chris Lemieux is going to look the gun over when it arrives at his shop and let me know my options for engraving. He has never had a TM1 with the striped receiver, only the flat sided TM1 of which he finished one not long ago I am told. I’m anxious to see what they can come up with along with a couple requests of my own incorporated in.
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Speaking of Mr Dawe, we have another tease of my Remington 1894 BE restock and rehab project as it inches towards the finish line. BTW, for those paying attention, please don't imagine the lengthy timeline on this project is indicative of Chris' regular work. I purposely asked him to go slow. With a second gun in with Chris now and another one getting the full treatment from a smith in Ontario and a gun repair fund that isn't bottomless, I find I need to pay attention to when the bills are going to come due. LOL
Anyway, here's a nice pic I got yesterday of the beautiful chequering work Chris does. The pattern is pulled from a Remington 1894 EE grade from 1910.
Very tasteful choices James. It is going to be a looker. Interesting background on the 1894. Good reading.
I don't mean to monopolize this thread but a little more progress on the Remington. Photos have just arrived detailing the beautiful CCH job that has been done to the action and other appropriate bits. My thanks once again to Chris Dawe and Oskar Kob. Oskar is a true master at CCH and does it for some of the world's best gunsmiths and rifle makers. I'm not exaggerating either. Won't bore you with the details but Oskar is the man.
These parts will arrive back on Chris Dawe's bench shortly and then there is very little else to do. A careful re-assembly of all parts, ensuring fit and function as he goes. Then we are pretty much done except for backing up the Brinks truck to Chris's work shop to pay the ransom. Just kidding.....in truth Chris' work is extremely competitive on price and outstanding in quality.
Hopefully around the end of the month or a bit after, I'll have the final product in hand and be able to post pictures of the whole thing. With one exception. The barrels won't be re-done until later in the year.
These parts will arrive back on Chris Dawe's bench shortly and then there is very little else to do. A careful re-assembly of all parts, ensuring fit and function as he goes. Then we are pretty much done except for backing up the Brinks truck to Chris's work shop to pay the ransom. Just kidding.....in truth Chris' work is extremely competitive on price and outstanding in quality.
Hopefully around the end of the month or a bit after, I'll have the final product in hand and be able to post pictures of the whole thing. With one exception. The barrels won't be re-done until later in the year.
gunsaholic
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Very nice coloring job. Oskar is indeed the man for the task as is Chris for some fantastic gun stock work, among other things.
leveractionjunkie
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Going to be one beautiful Remington. Two thumbs up. Way up!
Well I'm a bit down in the dumps because I think we will be another month before the Remington is all back together and on my doorstep. So in the meantime I thought I would show a completed example of fine Belgian craftsmanship that has been "looked after" by Chris Dawe and Oskar Kob.
This is a 1947 Defourny A & D boxlock 12 gauge with 27 1/2" barrels choked IM & Full. Chambers are 2 3/4" as you might expect on a post war gun. Tasteful, modest and one of the nicest guns I've ever shouldered. Bought new by the grandfather of a friend of mine. Enjoy.
This is a 1947 Defourny A & D boxlock 12 gauge with 27 1/2" barrels choked IM & Full. Chambers are 2 3/4" as you might expect on a post war gun. Tasteful, modest and one of the nicest guns I've ever shouldered. Bought new by the grandfather of a friend of mine. Enjoy.
