Let's see your C7 clones! (and C8 clones too, I guess...)

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Top photo appears to show .625" FSB so I stand corrected. What unit was that taken at? Looks like C8FTHBs in the racks as well so 2004 or later. That C8 appears to have seen relatively little use. All the ones at my last unit were heavily worn on the outside from field use.

The .750" FSB can be made out on the left rifle in the bottom photo.

I've never seen a .625" in service, at least not in 2CMBG. All the ones I've seen in lockup are .750". I do believe that most of the remaining C8s were pulled from arms rooms around 2010 but continued to be seen overseas in the hands of a few (medics, FOO etc). Last time I personally laid eyes on one was 2010 in Kandahar province.

ETA: I did find some pics of Craftsmans clone on page 12,13 of this very thread. He did/does have a separate build thread with all the dimensions and work he did on his barrel.
 
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They never got rid of them. They served side by side with the fiberlites up to the day the C8 was retired.

If the stock wasn't broken it didn't get replaced. For a long time all the new stocks that came from the factory were the plastic ones so the aluminum stocks eventually faded away as the damaged ones were replaced by plastic ones. Aluminum ones haven't been made in forever.
 
AFAIK the CF always used a .750 FSB. The rest of the barrel was a pencil profile but with a much larger flare at the muzzle (.700 or so). Unfortunately there isn't a lot of info out there on the original C8 and I've seen a lot of misinformation being spread over the years. Lots of people think it was the same as a Colt 723. It was close but not quite. Aluminum stock and the barrel profile being the most glaring differences.

Do a search and you'll find my thread on Arfcom. If you do a search here you may find Craftsman441s thread on him taking an M4 profile and turning it down to the proper one.

ETA: search doesn't go back far enough to find Craftsmans build. I haven't seen him around here much these days either.

Dutch barrels had the .750 FSB.
 
Weapons Tech told me most guys took them off or wanted them replaced because they rattled too much.

One weapons tech does not a policy make. Crosshair (a wpns tech if I'm not mistaken) just told you otherwise. You also said the "CF removed them". One tech is hardly the CF.

I can't stand the ambi controls as a righty. It doesn't mean a weapons tech will, or is allowed to take them off for me.

I do know that the Dutch also had the .750" FSB. Likely because that's the way Diemaco was already making them for the CF.
 
No, the stocks were already being made with texture by the time the green furniture was introduced.

There are some non-textured green stocks, actually. I don't know when they were made but I assume they are extremely early ones because they still have that brown colour. I have some of them in parts drawers and some C7A2s in vaults have them.

One weapons tech does not a policy make. Crosshair (a wpns tech if I'm not mistaken) just told you otherwise. You also said the "CF removed them". One tech is hardly the CF.

I can't stand the ambi controls as a righty. It doesn't mean a weapons tech will, or is allowed to take them off for me.

I do know that the Dutch also had the .750" FSB. Likely because that's the way Diemaco was already making them for the CF.

If someone wanted an aluminum stock replaced by a plastic one I don't see any issue with this whatsoever. I'd just give him a plastic one and keep the aluminum one in my spares if it's not broken.
 
Was there a green non-stippled stock?

Yes, when we first got the A2 I noticed some non textured stocks. They also appeared to be a darker green. When I took a closer look what did I find? Colt N 1 markings under the latch. It would seem that Diemaco once again asked Colt for assistance sourcing parts to meet the initial demand of the conversions. They are few and far between but they do exist.

Likely rarer than Diemaco marked fiberlite, although I didn't realize they existed. I just assumed they were all sourced from Colt.
 
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Yes, when we first got the A2 I noticed some non textured stocks. They also appeared to be a darker green. When I took a closer look what did I find? Colt N 1 markings under the latch. It would seem that Diemaco once again asked Colt for assistance sourcing parts to meet the initial demand of the conversions. They are few and far between but they do exist.

Likely rarer than Diemaco marked fiberlite, although I didn't realize they existed. I just assumed they were all sourced from Colt.

Were they manufactured of a green resin or painted green? I know that some furniture was painted green supposedly as a stop gap measure.
 
Were they manufactured of a green resin or painted green? I know that some furniture was painted green supposedly as a stop gap measure.

They were manufactured that way. When the C8a3 showed up the first handguards were painted green. They were still being made of thermoset plastic and they didn't change the colour until they switched to the newer fiberglass style. Not sure what caused the delay since they'd been making green fiberglass rifle length for a few years prior.
 
They were manufactured that way. When the C8a3 showed up the first handguards were painted green. They were still being made of thermoset plastic and they didn't change the colour until they switched to the newer fiberglass style. Not sure what caused the delay since they'd been making green fiberglass rifle length for a few years prior.

Just when I think I have a handle on things I discover that I don't really know very much at all. There are so many non standard variations out there that I wasn't aware of until this information started to be shared after the release of the SA rifles. A person could really have a huge collection if he wanted to track down all the oddities that have been issued at one point or another.
 
It doesn't help that Canada won't surplus stuff off, it's all supposed to get destroyed.

A lot of what you see either fell through the cracks or was sourced from Europe. The commercial CC stuff being the exception of course.
 
I have a 14.5 inch Colt Barrel that I want to turn into the correct profile to make a C8 clone.

I know I have the option to make the OD under the gas block to fit either a 0.625" or 0.750" FSB but does anyone have any info on the barrel profile? Was the early o.625" a government profile and the latter 0.750" a heavy barrel. Any one have any correct dimensions?
 
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