LNL AP major problems now: UPDATED

acrashb said:
Nice. Remind me not to buy your stuff. "One LNL-AP. Works great".
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acrashb said:
Your choice of words could have been better.
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Your choice of words to put in my mouth was uncalled for.
Don't bother to apologize. I won't answer one way or another. :bigHug:

Let's get this thread back on topic.
I for one am interested in helping a fellow CGN'r.

Any progress, Onagoth?
 
Onagoth...since you shoot at EESA...I assume you live near by Stormbringer?

He use a LNL...why not PM him to see if he has any ideas or suggestions.
 
acrashb said:
I had a thought about that. If the primer punch does not lower itself (if it's jammed up with brass shavings or other debris), it will prevent the slider from moving back when you raise the ram (because the punch is stuck up in the slider hole). At that point you have a lot of leverage and could break things. No press should be forced - if something feels wrong, stop!

So, take the punch assembly out and ensure that it operates freely. Clean/lube as required.
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This happened to me with a little piece of anvil, just enough to screw things up. The not forcing it is the hard part. I worked with a mechanic once that said"if it jams force it and if it breaks it needed fixin anyways".

acrashb's advise is probably better:rolleyes:
 
Hey Onagoth, when you get your parts if you want to get together and try to figure it out we can work something out... I can un-bolt my press from the bench and bring it to your place and compare the two if ya want, or we can meet as EESA sometime and compare the two...

I think we load the same stuff so having some different parts and even shell holders may help, I have a few of the shell plate springs also...I also find with mine it will run trouble free and not have any jams if I blow off the debris from powder and sometimes I get filings from tight primer pockets, they get jammed in the primer feed and seater....
 
Hey guys,

Thanks for the offers....I know there are a few people near me who probably wouldn't mind lending a hand.

I sincerely think some of the smaller parts are out of spec.....Hornady has agreed to send me a bunch...New shellplate rentention springs, new primer shuttle, new priming cam wire and new priming punch.

The bevel on the shuttle is causing the primer jams, I'm pretty sure of that, the rounded off part is just a little too steep, so the primers get caught.

I'll give these new parts a whirl when they arrive and if not, ask some friends for help.

Hopefully they arrive soon, my shellplate took a few weeks to show up....I really don't want to break down and buy ammo.... :)
 
Just got the replacement parts today, which fixed my primer problem nicely.

Between 4 different retention springs and 2 different shellplates, the cases still don't feed properly into the shellplates.

I'm convinced the problem is that the groove on the subplate is too shallow, causing the spring to sit just slightly above flush. This causes the cases to 'wobble' going over the spring and lock into the shellplate while partially sticking out.

I'll try to get a video up later.
 
All my brass is range brass, some worn, some not so worn, some speed, lots of winchester, some federal....really all sorts.

I don't sort my brass by firings, all in one big pile really.
 
Rim issues with the brass. I load a lot of range brass on my LNL and it can sometimes be an issue. if its really old, or been loaded really hot and hammered back the rim can get narrow and not feed onto the plate well. Check and see if the same cases screw up, look for wear/peening on the case head. I think this may be your issue, or at least a big part of it.
 
The spring does sit up a little, if the rim is still in spec, its ok. If its getting undersized or damaged from overuse or extractor damage it screws up. Buy a box or 2 of factory ammo, shoot it, and run it thre and see if it does the same thing. \

You could try beveling the lead in on the shell plate, but i wouldn't do that on a new one.

Great vid by the way, shows the problem well. Send it to Hornady and see what they can offer, i've always found them really helpful.
 
Cocked&Locked said:
Rim issues with the brass. I load a lot of range brass on my LNL and it can sometimes be an issue. if its really old, or been loaded really hot and hammered back the rim can get narrow and not feed onto the plate well. Check and see if the same cases screw up, look for wear/peening on the case head. I think this may be your issue, or at least a big part of it.
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I have a couple cases which do the same in my LnL-AP but I also sort my brass religiously. If I have any issues with the range brass at all I turf it. (aka are the headstamp markings clearly visible or have they been battered into shallow indents.)

That why I asked about the brass and it could be why it is an intermittant (and thereby really annoying) issue.
 
Many reloaders put marks on head stamp to make it easier to pick up their own brass; sometimes they are too lazy to actually pick it up or reloaded it several times and leave it on the floor - I toss that brass as been reloaded with unknown number of clicks on it.
 
If the problem is that the rim is too thin, could you put a thin shim on to the sub plate to keep the brass from falling forward and jamming the case slider? The only problem would be that regular sized cases may need a bit of coaxing to go in. ETA: Nevermind. I forgot the slider surface and subplate are of even height. You could ramp the shim, but seems to be too much trouble

Another alternative would be to place a shim on the bottom of the case pusher that sticks out a tiny bit to hold the top of the rim in the groove so that the case can't rock forward.

Kinda hard to explain, but that's what I would try.
 
Just a thought...
Is it possible the shellplate is tight and causing the tipping?
Try loosening the center screw a quarter turn at a time.

My Dillon worked better when I found the right tension for the shellplate.
 
Onagoth, If I understand your problem correctly, your brass is "tripping" over the retention spring as it is pushed into the shell plate by the shuttle. At initial setup, mine did this too. Here is the fix.

With no brass in your shell plate, place your left index finger in top of the spring where it is exposed under the shell plate shell holder location just ahead of the shuttle position, (the location foremost on the still video picture you've posted above). Press gently down on the spring.

As you slowly cycle your press with your right hand, follow the shell holder location with your left index finger keeping light downward pressure on the spring. This will guide the spring to its correct position "under" the shell plate as the plate location approaches the shuttle. This is subtle but you will notice the spring "drop" into its correct position as your finger approaches the shuttle. Remove your left index finger at this point and cycle your press past the shuttle location a time or two. The spring will now continue to follow in its correct track(under the shell plate) as it passes the shuttle location and your brass should stop tripping.

Hope this does it for you.
 
HKMark23 said:
place your left index finger in top of the spring where it is exposed under the shell plate shell holder location just ahead of the shuttle position, (the location foremost on the still video picture you've posted above). Press gently down on the spring.
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On reviewing the video, that looks like it might be the issue. I'd still like to know how deep your spring groove is.

Having a few cases tip / stick is normal with range brass (the rims are dinged up, would be an issue on any press), but "nine out of ten" is not normal.
 
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