After numerous attempts and all kinds of adjusting of the pawls and the cam wire. I finally watched and re-confirmed that the brass was indeed hitting the spring and that was the cause of the tipping. Took the 16 shell plate and on the 45 angle of the lip that pushes down the spring I added some JB Weld to make the lip larger (like the one on the 45 shell plate) let it dry and made sure it would not interfear with anything else. Worked like a champ and it will now feed and load .223 and 380 ACP with hardly a burp (still have the occasional case with will not feed, but when I inspect them they ususally have some type of damage to the rim).
I have called Hornday and explained everything I did and why the stock plate would not work. They have new 16 and 8 plates on the way to me. I have seen pics of other number 8 plates that had a large lip like my 45 one, the guy and Hornady could not explain why. So in short, if your cases are tipping due to the spring not being down in the groove low enough for the brass not to hit it, then this would fix your problem. I tried it with super glue first and it worked, but the glue chipped off very easily. I sanded the lip and used JB weld this time and it seems to be holding much better.
Will try to post some pics of what I did.
Glenn