Lockhart Tactical Raven Platinum Edition, .223 Wylde

Different frame gun to support those calibers

30ar, 450 bushmaster 50 beo, etc are not ar10

I am not sure what your point is? The entire idea behind the 2-piece Lower Receiver is to accommodate different sizes of cartridge by simply swapping out the Magazine Well. I am well aware that 30 AR, 450 Bushmaster, 50 Beowolf, etc, etc, all make use of the same .223 cal STANAG Mag Well. You then swap the .223 cal STANAG Mag Well for the "Short Action" .308 Mag Well in order to mate with the applicable Upper Receiver for larger calibers such as 6.5mm Creedmoor, .243 Winchester, etc. Presumably there will be a "Long Action" Mag Well if calibres such as .300 Win Mag or 7mm Mag are contemplated for the future...
 
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I am not sure what your point is? The entire idea behind the 2-piece Lower Receiver is to accommodate different sizes of cartridge by simply swapping out the Magazine Well. I am well aware that 30 AR, 450 Bushmaster, 50 Beowolf, etc, etc, all make use of the same .223 cal STANAG Mag Well. You then swap the .223 cal STANAG Mag Well for the "Short Action" .308 Mag Well in order to mate with the applicable Upper Receiver for larger calibers such as 6.5mm Creedmoor, .243 Winchester, etc. Presumably there will be a "Long Action" Mag Well if calibres such as .300 Win Mag or 7mm Mag are contemplated for the future...

The original question was just that, a question.

I do not see the rifle available for order/purchase in any of these calibers.

It is not like we can easily source the parts ourselves anymore, but the manufacturer can produce them for orders/sale.
 
The original question was just that, a question.

I do not see the rifle available for order/purchase in any of these calibers.

It is not like we can easily source the parts ourselves anymore, but the manufacturer can produce them for orders/sale.

i was not following you because a question usually ends with one of these - "?"" to denote the interrogative tone. I get you now. Other calibres in each Receiver Size will apparently be offered at some point in the future. When exactly is not yet known....
 
Thanks for the review Mark. So many different options, so many little and not so little problems with this rifle. I am glad that you were able to sort it all out but it does not make me the slightest convinced to stick my toe into buying one of those. I also expect they will be a hard sell on the second hand market. Cheers.
 
Trying to decide on which look I prefer for my Raven. At first, I hated the full-length Handguard, but I must admit that it has been steadily growing on me. What do you guys think? Full-length, or 13.5" partial Handguard?


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Trying to decide on which look I prefer for my Raven. At first, I hated the full-length Handguard, but I must admit that it has been steadily growing on me. What do you guys think? Full-length, or 13.5" partial Handguard?


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Trying to decide on which look I prefer for my Raven. At first, I hated the full-length Handguard, but I must admit that it has been steadily growing on me. What do you guys think? Full-length, or 13.5" partial Handguard?


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I prefer the top look of yours. I went with a kineti-tech shroud on mine to see what it would be like. Might swap to 5x micro prism and offset dot.

Which B5 stock do you prefer?

 
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Thanks for the review Mark. So many different options, so many little and not so little problems with this rifle. I am glad that you were able to sort it all out but it does not make me the slightest convinced to stick my toe into buying one of those. I also expect they will be a hard sell on the second hand market. Cheers.

Yeah, I agree 100% that the nearly endless options available on the Lockhart website can be somewhat confusing and certainly overwhelming - especially for those new to the sport. As for the problems encountered they have been as follows:

1. Defective Barrel with undersized Gas Port and incorrect Chamber Reaming. These barrels cannot be salvaged due to the defective chamber and are replaced at no cost on a 1 for 1 exchange basis with LTAC Customer Service. I was back up and running with a brand new, Mid-Length Gas System Barrel within 5 business days of identifying the problem to LTAC.

2. Shallow threads for the Receiver Extension (Buffer Tube) cut into the Rear of the Lower Receiver. The threads had to be re-cut with a specially-purchased Tap ($63 on Amazon.ca) in order to accept the LAW Tactical Folding Buttstock Adapter.

3. The Bolt Carrier Extension from the LAW Tactical Gen 3 AR10 Folding Adapter had to be reduced in diameter in order to fit inside the rear of the LTAC Bolt Carrier.

4. The sharp, irritating point under the Trigger Guard had to be filed down and refinished where it was bothering my middle finger. Birchwood Casey "Aluminum Black" did the refinishing trick nicely! Note that this point has been eliminated on current-production Lower Receivers.

5. The Screws retaining the Bolt Catches and those holding together the Charging Handle were Blue Loctited in order to avoid loosening and potential loss.

Most of the serious "issues" boil down to the defective Barrel which was quickly resolved by LTAC Customer Service, and the Receiver Extension Threads which had to be re-cut in the Lower Receiver using an expensive Amazon tool. I would expect that most if not all of the defective Barrels have now been caught and exchanged for new Barrels with a mid-length Gas System. I do not know if anyone has spoken to Samuel Lockhart about the shallow Buffer Tube Threads on the lower Receiver, but I will make a note to do so the next time we speak about the Raven.

With the Barrel and the Buffer Tube Threads sorted out, there is actually very little on the Raven which requires end-user attention before Break-In, especially if no LAW Tactical Folder Adapter is to be installed. I'd say that at that point, the Raven is every bit as good to go as your average AR15 out of the box. No particular end-user attention ought to be required from unboxing onwards, other than adjustment of the Gas System in order to balance the rifle. The Raven is not as daunting as my posts might suggest, and the minor challenges to date ought not scare any prospective buyers away from the rifle. The Raven is a very well-made firearm in and of itself. Although adjustment of the Gas System may seem complex and challenging to the new shooter, it is an excellent way to become intimately familiar with the operation and adjustment of the shooter's new rifle.

There is really nothing whatsoever to fear about the LTAC Raven. It is a high-quality, Canadian-manufactured, NR firearm that will make a suitable substitute for the AR15 as well as the larger caliber AR10 for most users. Priced at around $3400 with all the 5.56mm "Platinum" Bells and Whistles, the Raven is certainly not cheap. Then again, compared to other current Canadian offerings the Raven is better finished for the same or less money. Converting the 5.56m rifle to .308 cal will cost approximately $2700 further for the Caliber-Change Kit. which will net you a .308 Magazine Well and complete .308 Upper Receiver when they are ready for production.

Although I have only 160 rounds down-range through my Raven, it is functioning 100% based on the directions contained in the User's Manual. Those who have run an AR15 with an Adjustable Gas System will feel right at home with the Raven 5.56mm. It is an extremely well-crafted riffle, bordering on a work of the machinist's art. Fortunately for us, we are the beneficiaries of Samuel Lockhart's hard work and design and production vision. The more the merrier when it comes to new designs on the Canadian market, just so long as they are decent. The LTAC Raven certainly appears to be a decent design thus far, backed up by truly outstanding Customer Service...
 
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- Defective Barrel with undersized Gas Port and incorrect Chamber Reaming. These barrels cannot be salvaged due to the defective chamber and are replaced at no cost on a 1 for 1 exchange basis with LTAC Customer Service. I was back up and running with a brand new, Mid-Length Gas System Barrel within 5 business days of identifying the problem to LTAC.

What does one experience with a defective raven barrel?
 
I prefer the top look of yours. I went with a kineti-tech shroud on mine to see what it would be like. Might swap to 5x micro prism and offset dot.

Which B5 stock do you prefer?

I have a 5x Micro Prism on my B+T APC 223 Carbine, where it works very well indeed. I have a Vortex Venom on top of the Prism for "close encounters", so to speak.

I'm just using the basic B5 SOPMOD stock, without the Storage Tubes. I have that one also and it does give a bigger/better cheek-weld, however it is also larger/bulkier to move around with. All things considered, I prefer the smaller footprint of the basic B5 Stock
 
What does one experience with a defective raven barrel?

Well, first of all, it wouldn't self-cycle. I had to manually operate the action using the Charging Handle for each shot. Even after I enlarged the Gas Port in the Barrel to 7/64", the rifle would not cycle. It would partially operate, but even with the Gas fully closed, my Bolt did not come back far enough to engage the Bolt Catch.

On top of the actual failure to cycle the action, the empty casings showed signs of bulging just behind the base of the cartridge. This was the key factor that got me onto LTAC for a replacement, as the bulge in the casings was quite visible.


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Well, first of all, it wouldn't self-cycle. I had to manually operate the action using the Charging Handle for each shot. Even after I enlarged the Gas Port in the Barrel to 7/64", the rifle would not cycle. It would partially operate, but even with the Gas fully closed, my Bolt did not come back far enough to engage the Bolt Catch.

On top of the actual failure to cycle the action, the empty casings showed signs of bulging just behind the base of the cartridge. This was the key factor that got me onto LTAC for a replacement, as the bulge in the casings was quite visible.


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I can see the quality. As you may remember I was kind of involved in the "fighting the bashing" of the BCL Siberian - which worked perfectly for me out of the box.

I kike the Raven just by the looks and the more AR style features. I never had an AR, only CZ,VZ since I decided not to go into restricted (I have like 10 handguns though, lol).

Now I am wondering if the Raven is just like one of those "not tested enough" as it was claimed to be with the Siberian.

Maybe test the Siberian for us in comparison to the Raven even if it does not click all the features?

I know you don't worry much about restricted or not but you mentioned before that you may want to get a Siberian.

Your reviews are very much appreciated.

I can reload btw, not doing it much right now, but that bulge sucks for reloading in that tiny 223 casing.
 
I can see the quality. As you may remember I was kind of involved in the "fighting the bashing" of the BCL Siberian - which worked perfectly for me out of the box.

I kike the Raven just by the looks and the more AR style features. I never had an AR, only CZ,VZ since I decided not to go into restricted (I have like 10 handguns though, lol).

Now I am wondering if the Raven is just like one of those "not tested enough" as it was claimed to be with the Siberian.

Maybe test the Siberian for us in comparison to the Raven even if it does not click all the features?

I know you don't worry much about restricted or not but you mentioned before that you may want to get a Siberian.

Your reviews are very much appreciated.

I can reload btw, not doing it much right now, but that bulge sucks for reloading in that tiny 223 casing.

Thank-you for the kind words. That unacceptable bulge in the casings was exactly what got me onto LTAC for a replacement Barrel. They were well aware of the problem (dating back to the rifle's launch) and did not hesitate at all in shipping me out the new Barrel with Mid-Length Gas System.

"Not tested enough" is a tough one to quantify with the Raven, given that the basic design (most critical dimensions are identical) has 60 years of development behind it. That said, things like the extreme difficulty in screwing on the Receiver Extensions (Buffer Tubes) should have been a clue to the Assemblers that something wasn't quite right - the threads weren't cut deep enough. Aside from the Lower Receiver threads and the unfortunate faulty Barrel issue at product launch, I believe that the Raven is ready for prime-time. It just got off to a bit of a rocky start, is all. Of course, all of the uncertainty about the future of centrefire semi-automatic firearms in Canada has undoubtedly hurt sales as well. Timing is kind of critical for success in the Canadian market....
 
i was not following you because a question usually ends with one of these - "?"" to denote the interrogative tone. I get you now. Other calibres in each Receiver Size will apparently be offered at some point in the future. When exactly is not yet known....

Hopefully available and can be produced before they are banned like everything else. I am tired of being the early adopter of a platform only to have to source someone to convert to the desired caliber.

It would be amazing if manufacturers released a platform with all the various calibers right off the jump.
 
Most of the serious "issues" boil down to the defective Barrel which was quickly resolved by LTAC Customer Service, and the Receiver Extension Threads which had to be re-cut in the Lower Receiver using an expensive Amazon tool. I would expect that most if not all of the defective Barrels have now been caught and exchanged for new Barrels with a mid-length Gas System. I do not know if anyone has spoken to Samuel Lockhart about the shallow Buffer Tube Threads on the lower Receiver, but I will make a note to do so the next time we speak about the Raven.

Um, Including your example, that is three in this thread alone....lol
I know of around 1/2 to a dozen others that were fixed at CSC alone, so who knows how many are out there, being either builder kits where the installer finds out straight away or complete rifles that are assembled and their owners are blissfully unaware of the issues with the threads, and will either never know if they don't do any parts swapping or will find out some time in the future with a buttstock or buffer tube change.

Well, first of all, it wouldn't self-cycle. I had to manually operate the action using the Charging Handle for each shot. Even after I enlarged the Gas Port in the Barrel to 7/64", the rifle would not cycle. It would partially operate, but even with the Gas fully closed, my Bolt did not come back far enough to engage the Bolt Catch.

On top of the actual failure to cycle the action, the empty casings showed signs of bulging just behind the base of the cartridge. This was the key factor that got me onto LTAC for a replacement, as the bulge in the casings was quite visible.


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Have you sectioned any of these cases? Is so, how is the case thickness through the body? I'd be very concerned with the potential of incipient case head separation and would have stopped as soon as I saw that. It is surprising that a recall wasn't issued by Lockhart....
 
Um, Including your example, that is three in this thread alone....lol
I know of around 1/2 to a dozen others that were fixed at CSC alone, so who knows how many are out there, being either builder kits where the installer finds out straight away or complete rifles that are assembled and their owners are blissfully unaware of the issues with the threads, and will either never know if they don't do any parts swapping or will find out some time in the future with a buttstock or buffer tube change.



Have you sectioned any of these cases? Is so, how is the case thickness through the body? I'd be very concerned with the potential of incipient case head separation and would have stopped as soon as I saw that. It is surprising that a recall wasn't issued by Lockhart....

Nope, I don't have a band saw to cut the casings longitudinally with. There were no signs of excess pressure (eg. flattened primers), so just a malformed chamber at play.

I suspect that a recall wasn't issued by Lockhart because it would have killed sales and probably bankrupted the company. I don't have a horse in this race besides my ownership of one of these fine rifles, but Lockhart is clearly a small manufacturer. He relies on sub-contractors for major components such as barrels and most likely receivers as well. I don't know for certain, nor do I particularly care if that is the case, that is just the impression that I have to date. I highly doubt Lockhart (or his investors) have the money sitting around to fund a recall with pre-paid shipping both ways. The shipping alone through Canada Post would cost the company thousands of $$. Handled the way that they did it, Lockhart paid to ship out the new Barrel and Mid-Length Gas System, then expected you to use the same box to ship the defective barrel back to them at the customer's expense. So they limit their postage to a Barrel in a 20" Box, one way ($28), rather than an entire rifle in an overlength box, likely costing $75-$90 insured, twice. And sales don't have to cease like they might during a recall, so new-production rifles are still shipping out daily. FWIW - Just my best guess on the situation....
 
Another 200 rounds fired today at +6C with zero unintentional stoppages. I was noticing some Bolt Carrier bounce when dry cycling the rifle and releasing the Bolt Catch. In order to reduce the incidence of BCG bounce, I swapped out the Buffer for an H2 and the OEM Operating spring for a Geissele "Super 42" Braided Spring. My gas system required a minor adjustment to ensure reliable function with the Heavier Buffer and Spring. Once I balanced the system by achieving Bolt lock-back on last round, plus 2 more clicks open on the Gas Regulator Screw for good measure, function was 100% with the lightest possible recoil. The Raven is soft-shooting on a bad day, but properly gassed it is amazing just how light the recoil is compared to most any piston-driven system. Anyhow, that's 280 rounds since my Barrel swap, with no stoppages that I did not deliberately induce during system balancing. To date I am very happy with my (slightly tweaked) Raven!
 
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