There's another org doing this kind of thing too... The more the merrier!
http://www.odplonline.org/
http://www.odplonline.org/
Looking for clubs to start up IDPA!
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Popurhedoff said:
No need to let this get out of hand...but who said anything about IPSC
I won't speak for anyone else...but it never crossed my mind that this was related to the BB. It was pretty clear who the intended target was...
How ever...we're officially off topic...sorry if I contributed to that
Steve David
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Quigly,
Old news, SteveS already made is appology, let it go now!
Old news, SteveS already made is appology, let it go now!
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Oshawa, Ontario
No defensive in me at all, only the D in CDP!
Steve David
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- Oshawa, Ontario
It's all about fun!
I just have to throw out a question regarding CDP, IDPA, etc, etc.
Preface:
As many may know, PPC was run in Canada for a number of years before CSSA became involved in the sport. A number of clubs in Southern Ontario elected to connect with CSSA PPC but many ignored the calls for a single entity taking charge and maintained their own identity.
The Issue:
The Feb/Mar 2007 issue of CSSA magazine just arrived in the mail today and on page 41 there is a full page article about CDP.
Does it appear to you that CSSA is trying to do it again?
That is trying to assume responsibility of a discipline by virtue of it's size in Ontario.
Please read this in the manner it is asked. It is not a statement, it is a question.
I would assume that many are pleased to have CSSA involved in defensive pistol, but I worry that many may take offense to the intrusion into the IDPA world that has done quite well on it's own.
I would really appreciate your comments.
Preface:
As many may know, PPC was run in Canada for a number of years before CSSA became involved in the sport. A number of clubs in Southern Ontario elected to connect with CSSA PPC but many ignored the calls for a single entity taking charge and maintained their own identity.
The Issue:
The Feb/Mar 2007 issue of CSSA magazine just arrived in the mail today and on page 41 there is a full page article about CDP.
Does it appear to you that CSSA is trying to do it again?
That is trying to assume responsibility of a discipline by virtue of it's size in Ontario.
Please read this in the manner it is asked. It is not a statement, it is a question.
I would assume that many are pleased to have CSSA involved in defensive pistol, but I worry that many may take offense to the intrusion into the IDPA world that has done quite well on it's own.
I would really appreciate your comments.
Hi Matrix,
As a member of CSSA, I was very disapointed to see the article in question. IDPA is up and running in Canada and with nearly 200 members joining in the past 8 or so months I believe it is here to stay. There are currently several IDPA affiliated clubs across Canada, and several more currently in the application process. I feel that CDP should be able to carry on in Canada if they wish, but there is no possibility of a merger or affiliation between CDP and the Actual IDPA. I have said this several times however, no one in the CSSA/CDP world seems to get it. A merger or affiliation, traditionally means two seperate groups join together with their assets to form a stronger group, CDP can bring nothing to the table that they have not already taken from IDPA in the past, so it would be ridiculous to even consider it. So now apparently, CDP is going to start issuing IDPA rulebooks to its members, according to Dave Burke, these books will be supplied to him/CSSA from IDPA. I can assure you that this will not happen, nor will CDP shooters ever be able to attend IDPA matches in the US or Canada for that matter (unless they join IDPA). Also Dave insists on telling the tale about how they are trying to save the IDPA by implementing a holster/safety course, if he ever does get his hands on an actual IDPA rule book he might want to read page 57 "New Shooter Orientation" which will clearly outline 11 main teaching points for our free of charge safety course required by all IDPA shooters before competeing in a match. These statements are being made by, hopefully, the uninformed, or if that is not the case by liars. I am in contact with IDPA HQ on a daily basis and I have been assured that what I am saying are the facts. I wish CDP would just get on with their own business and stop causing me so many headaches.
Steve Shirley
IDPA Area Coordinator for Canada
As a member of CSSA, I was very disapointed to see the article in question. IDPA is up and running in Canada and with nearly 200 members joining in the past 8 or so months I believe it is here to stay. There are currently several IDPA affiliated clubs across Canada, and several more currently in the application process. I feel that CDP should be able to carry on in Canada if they wish, but there is no possibility of a merger or affiliation between CDP and the Actual IDPA. I have said this several times however, no one in the CSSA/CDP world seems to get it. A merger or affiliation, traditionally means two seperate groups join together with their assets to form a stronger group, CDP can bring nothing to the table that they have not already taken from IDPA in the past, so it would be ridiculous to even consider it. So now apparently, CDP is going to start issuing IDPA rulebooks to its members, according to Dave Burke, these books will be supplied to him/CSSA from IDPA. I can assure you that this will not happen, nor will CDP shooters ever be able to attend IDPA matches in the US or Canada for that matter (unless they join IDPA). Also Dave insists on telling the tale about how they are trying to save the IDPA by implementing a holster/safety course, if he ever does get his hands on an actual IDPA rule book he might want to read page 57 "New Shooter Orientation" which will clearly outline 11 main teaching points for our free of charge safety course required by all IDPA shooters before competeing in a match. These statements are being made by, hopefully, the uninformed, or if that is not the case by liars. I am in contact with IDPA HQ on a daily basis and I have been assured that what I am saying are the facts. I wish CDP would just get on with their own business and stop causing me so many headaches.
Steve Shirley
IDPA Area Coordinator for Canada
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Steve David
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- Oshawa, Ontario
OH boy, here come the politcs and he said/she said antics in action shooting again!
Come on Steve,
I am sure you have read the article by now, this is not a matter of he said she said. The statements in the article are in print. I am the Coordinator for IDPA in Canada and I say there are a lot of incorrect statements in that article. This is not like we are a couple of casual shooter discussing points on Gunnutz. Statements have been made and I have corrected them, there is no he said she said involved here. If what I am saying turns out to be false by virtue of a misunderstanding on my part, I will resign as IDPA Coordinator for Canada and let someone else deal with this foolishness.
Your Friend
Steve
I am sure you have read the article by now, this is not a matter of he said she said. The statements in the article are in print. I am the Coordinator for IDPA in Canada and I say there are a lot of incorrect statements in that article. This is not like we are a couple of casual shooter discussing points on Gunnutz. Statements have been made and I have corrected them, there is no he said she said involved here. If what I am saying turns out to be false by virtue of a misunderstanding on my part, I will resign as IDPA Coordinator for Canada and let someone else deal with this foolishness.
Your Friend
Steve
Steve David
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- Oshawa, Ontario
As a matter of fact I have not read said article and I do not think that anyone would expect you to resign over something as miniscule as this, this is not a huge issue. It appears to be based only on opinions. Lets just have fun man!
Hi Steve,
"Opinions" ? Everyone has opinions, and the funny thing is your opinion can never be wrong until you change your mind. I have had dissusions with you in the past and you seem like a pretty smart fellow to me. Have a read of the new CSSA mag and you will see that these are not opinions, rather in the opinion of some facts presented in a creditable magazine for all to read. This goes far beyond opinions. I happen to know the facts in this case, explained to me by my superiors at IDPA HQ. Because of this nonsense I was up until 0 dark thirty last night taking phone calls and answering emails as is my duty to do as an IDPA Coordinator. Yes, having fun is what it is all about, however, sometimes the people in positions of authority have to deal with the issues so that others might be able to enjoy their hobby. Sorry for the rant Steve, but why can't we all just get along
Your Friend
Steve
"Opinions" ? Everyone has opinions, and the funny thing is your opinion can never be wrong until you change your mind. I have had dissusions with you in the past and you seem like a pretty smart fellow to me. Have a read of the new CSSA mag and you will see that these are not opinions, rather in the opinion of some facts presented in a creditable magazine for all to read. This goes far beyond opinions. I happen to know the facts in this case, explained to me by my superiors at IDPA HQ. Because of this nonsense I was up until 0 dark thirty last night taking phone calls and answering emails as is my duty to do as an IDPA Coordinator. Yes, having fun is what it is all about, however, sometimes the people in positions of authority have to deal with the issues so that others might be able to enjoy their hobby. Sorry for the rant Steve, but why can't we all just get along
Your Friend
Steve
Meanwhile....Just wanted to say we have been shooting IDPA style shooting up here for the past three years. This spring we will formally join IDPA. Terrace Rod & Gun club is bringing up the President of the North West Practical Pistol Association to teach an IDPA Range Officer/Safety Officer course. We expect to certifiy at least three to five RO's from this course.
Our 20 members who regularly attend our shoots have indicated they want to join IDPA.
Steve is doing yoeman work in getting IDPA off the the ground and I suspect there will be little problem encouraging other clubs to join this exciting and interesting shooting discipline.
Take Care
Bob
Our 20 members who regularly attend our shoots have indicated they want to join IDPA.
Steve is doing yoeman work in getting IDPA off the the ground and I suspect there will be little problem encouraging other clubs to join this exciting and interesting shooting discipline.
Take Care
Bob
Canuck44 said:
Same here, but for much longer... 'No need/desire to join up with IDPA USA or anyone else... the ODPL http://www.odplonline.org/ consists of a few clubs in close proximity that take turns hosting matches.... So it's not National, but so what? 90% of most people's shooting is done within driving distance.
The email list I use to give notice for our matches has about 350 names on it.
I've never hosted a match where less than 30 guys show up. Multi-gun affairs usually involve 40-50 shooters.... We'd accomodate more, but there's only so much daylight
Bottom line is... matches are held frequently http://www.odplonline.org/events.shtml. Fun is had. WoooWhooo lets shoot!
And... we have cool hats
http://home.cogeco.ca/~brrcodpl/ODPLCaps.htm
667 said:Same here, but for much longer... 'No need/desire to join up with IDPA USA or anyone else... the ODPL http://www.odplonline.org/ consists of a few clubs in close proximity that take turns hosting matches.... So it's not National, but so what? 90% of most people's shooting is done within driving distance.
The email list I use to give notice for our matches has about 350 names on it.
I've never hosted a match where less than 30 guys show up. Multi-gun affairs usually involve 40-50 shooters.... We'd accomodate more, but there's only so much daylight
Bottom line is... matches are held frequently http://www.odplonline.org/events.shtml. Fun is had. WoooWhooo lets shoot!
And... we have cool hats
If your not interested in starting an IDPA club then why are you responding to this thread??? As the Title says, we are looking for clubs to start IDPA ... not ODPL.
I will tell you why. First we want to support the shooting sport of handgun shooting. 2nd. the venue we wanted to use had to be a recognized Natinal or International discipline. The more I see of how IDPA is growing in Canada the more comfortable I am that we made the right decision. Yes you can do it in isolation if you want but without the structure, I have seen a group die off as well.
Fortunately we have a number of things going for us. We have a first class outdoor range with five Handgun pits, one large pistol/small bore range, 200 yard rifle range and five N.A. Trap Houses. A "can do" attitude amongst the members and an RCMP detachment fully committed to every aspect of Community Policing, including supporting our handgun discipline. Lastly, we have a group of guys and gals who want to have fun shooting our handguns. IDPA provides all of that.
With IPSC flourishing in the area and demand high for IDPA style shooting we believe we have a winning combination.
Take Care
Bob
Fortunately we have a number of things going for us. We have a first class outdoor range with five Handgun pits, one large pistol/small bore range, 200 yard rifle range and five N.A. Trap Houses. A "can do" attitude amongst the members and an RCMP detachment fully committed to every aspect of Community Policing, including supporting our handgun discipline. Lastly, we have a group of guys and gals who want to have fun shooting our handguns. IDPA provides all of that.
With IPSC flourishing in the area and demand high for IDPA style shooting we believe we have a winning combination.
Take Care
Bob
Hi 667,
Please do not take it that way, I can't speak for Pop, but I can speak for the IDPA community. We shoot IDPA, you shoot something similar, still others shoot CDP, and so on. All I am asking is let everyone shoot what they wan't, even shoot with a couple of different orgs, but please do not trash or otherwise interfere with what others are doing. (BTW that is not directed at you) .
I shoot different disiplines and I never slam what others are doing, I only ask the same courtesy from others.
The Article in question is a page long and refers to IDPA about 8 times, this appears, in my opinion, to call into question CDP's ability to move on with their own style of shooting. I would not even be so bad if even half of the statements were not "misleading' (that word was for you Canuck 44). Lets all do our thing and be happy that we are shooting, not make people so upset that we push them away from shooting all together.
Steve
Hi Slavex,
I would post the article, but I don't seem to have the ability to post pictures or attachments?? Maybe you could help me out with that when you have time.
Steve
Please do not take it that way, I can't speak for Pop, but I can speak for the IDPA community. We shoot IDPA, you shoot something similar, still others shoot CDP, and so on. All I am asking is let everyone shoot what they wan't, even shoot with a couple of different orgs, but please do not trash or otherwise interfere with what others are doing. (BTW that is not directed at you)
.I shoot different disiplines and I never slam what others are doing, I only ask the same courtesy from others.
The Article in question is a page long and refers to IDPA about 8 times, this appears, in my opinion, to call into question CDP's ability to move on with their own style of shooting. I would not even be so bad if even half of the statements were not "misleading' (that word was for you Canuck 44)
. Lets all do our thing and be happy that we are shooting, not make people so upset that we push them away from shooting all together.Steve
Hi Slavex,
I would post the article, but I don't seem to have the ability to post pictures or attachments?? Maybe you could help me out with that when you have time.
Steve
