any thoughts on a first pistol for IPSC? I know all about handsize etc. I am just wondering what experienced IPSC people could recommend for a starter weapon. I am looking to take the black badge course in the next little while and am not sure where to start as far as handgun choice.
M&P, P226, or CZ75/85 or SP01
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if you'll go with a CZ, get an SP01 - why get an older design then a newer, slightly improved one is the same price.
What puts the SP01 ahead of any of its competition as far as IPSC competition shooting goes is the HUGE list of production division legal "factory" parts which allow you to greatly modify ("improve") both the SA and DA trigger pulls, trigger reset, etc, as well as things like lighter recoil springs, and a great set of sights (both front and rear).
Also, the SP01 is incredibly accurate, more so than any other Prod gun I've tried (I've never shot the M&P, but I owned a 226).
Plus it's cheaper than the Sig (again, don't know about the M&P).
What puts the SP01 ahead of any of its competition as far as IPSC competition shooting goes is the HUGE list of production division legal "factory" parts which allow you to greatly modify ("improve") both the SA and DA trigger pulls, trigger reset, etc, as well as things like lighter recoil springs, and a great set of sights (both front and rear).
Also, the SP01 is incredibly accurate, more so than any other Prod gun I've tried (I've never shot the M&P, but I owned a 226).
Plus it's cheaper than the Sig (again, don't know about the M&P).
mbhabsfan said:
only the "85Combat" has adjustable sights out of the box, and who cares, since if you really like those, you can just put them on your SP01.
The recoil characteristics of the SP01 are faaaaaaaaar superior to any other CZ pistols of that style.
SP01. It's been noted here in OZ that a lot of top production shooters are buying the CZ. The guy who won the Victorian state titles with a Glock last week bought a CZ at the end of the match.
Extra weight, accuracy, good sights, good grip angle and good trigger make for a winning package.
If you are unsure about the decocking on a loaded chamber thing, then you can get the tactical model with a decocker instead of as safety.
Extra weight, accuracy, good sights, good grip angle and good trigger make for a winning package.
If you are unsure about the decocking on a loaded chamber thing, then you can get the tactical model with a decocker instead of as safety.
As stated, you can tune the CZs via a loophole in the rules. I have a tuned up 85 combat that shoots as well as another tuned up SP01 I'm familar with,
shooting them side by side, you can tell the recoil is different, but I would say just the better part of marginal. I have other service pistols that shoot as accurately as well.
I think CZ is a good option, but don't think the SP01 is the be-all. Competitors that shoot them well are good shooters to begin with.
I seriously doubt you can get cheaper overall than a Glock 17, doubly so if you are mil/leo and get it through police ordance.
shooting them side by side, you can tell the recoil is different, but I would say just the better part of marginal. I have other service pistols that shoot as accurately as well.
I think CZ is a good option, but don't think the SP01 is the be-all. Competitors that shoot them well are good shooters to begin with.
I seriously doubt you can get cheaper overall than a Glock 17, doubly so if you are mil/leo and get it through police ordance.
beltfed said:
Glocks are good guns but not to everyone's taste. The grip angle and palm swell on them is very different from CZ's, and they will recoil harder simply because they have less weight. Additionally, in Production the Glock trigger will be constantly over five pounds, whereas, with the SP01 properly set up the first pull will be a very smooth seven-ish pounds and then it goes to what, two pounds? (Omen, what's yours breaking at?) That's a pretty big advantage. They are also more accurate than Glocks.
I've shot Omen's SP01 and trust me; it's a sweet ride.
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There is also Beretta to look at. Of course I may be a little bias. 
If you want one gun to use in both IPSC and IDPA then rule out the SPO1 as it is not legal in IDPA due to the dust cover. Just a thought if you have interest in both shooting sports. For everyone but the top shooters the difference between a SPO1 and a CZ 85 would be insignificant. Personally I went with the Tanfoglio "L" model as I wanted to use the same gun in both sports. The Tan has a slightly longer barrel than my CZ 85. Both are sweet guns. I now also have the Conversion kit for the Tan in .40Cal and may use it in Limited.
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Bob
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Bob
mbhabsfan said:
no, not at all, the Canadian Lady prod champion used it for a whole year... It is a very reliable gun, and honestly, if I ever had to carry one for self-defence, I'd go with a SA/DA P226 - no question. BUT in competition, the SP01 has the advantage, because of all the aforementioned reasons.
Canuck44 said:
Sorry, disagree. The huge difference in accuracy of the SP01 makes a difference for everyone, and almost everyone who's shot the sp01 and the 85combat side by side at my club was amazed how quickly and easily the sp01 came back on target after each shot.
Will switching to an sp01 from an 85combat jump you up a class? Of course not, but it's also not true that you won't see any differences/improvements in the performance and handling...
I've shot IPSC with the 75BD, the 85Combat, and now the SP01 - you can tell the difference, and you don't have to be a top shooter...
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Actually it's the weight. If you get the weight down under 39 oz. you can use it in SSP.
The rules for ESP state
And from Appendix One - Equipment , Section A - Firearms Sub-section 1 - Non-IDPA-Legal Modifications for all Divisions :
You cannot ADD a full length dust cover , but as SSP makes NO reference to dust covers at all , merely overall weight of the gun and magazine, SP01 is legal in SSP if you legally get the weight down.
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dinsdale said:
According to the CZ-USA website, the SP-01 weighs 2.6 lbs (or 41.6 oz). The max weight in SSP is 39 oz. (Incl empty mag) Further, no external modifications (except sights & grips) are not allowed. Good luck shaving off 2.6 oz of weight internally.
