M1 .30 cal carbine WW2 Underwood
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IBM was one of the 10 prime contractors and made complete carbines.
Jon
Not worth nothing with out pics , pics , pics , pics lots of pics.
I'm new to firearms in general so not well versed in what I should take pics of?
I'm not worried about it, I knew the stock had issues before I bought it and I have a replacement one on the way. I think some of the other cracks may have happened during shipping as the stock is extremely dry. I don't think it's fair to put the blame on the seller for that
The rest of the rifle is very nice, even has a rare 2rivet hand guard!
It is the same one that I ordered but the add says that he will send two stocks for the $307 Canadian that it costs
That's just over $150 a piece, I will just have a spare one for later use or can sell it to recoup some costs
A lot of carbines (and garands) have post war stocks as that's what they got when they went to the arsenals
As long as it fits and looks good that's all I care about
That's just over $150 a piece, I will just have a spare one for later use or can sell it to recoup some costs
A lot of carbines (and garands) have post war stocks as that's what they got when they went to the arsenals
As long as it fits and looks good that's all I care about
For future reference to anyone interested. The markings O.G. stamped inside a square, is the rebuild stamp from Ogden Arsenal, Utah.
With over 6 million of them made during the war, it takes finding something pretty unique to be considered truly rare, when talking about M1 carbines. Please read up on them first ....
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/
This Inland made receiver was one of approximately 5000 which were transferred to Rock-Ola around July 1943 ....maybe considered slightly rare as it is one of the least common transferred / lined out receivers.
With over 6 million of them made during the war, it takes finding something pretty unique to be considered truly rare, when talking about M1 carbines. Please read up on them first ....
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/
This Inland made receiver was one of approximately 5000 which were transferred to Rock-Ola around July 1943 ....maybe considered slightly rare as it is one of the least common transferred / lined out receivers.
For future reference to anyone interested. The markings O.G. stamped inside a square, is the rebuild stamp from Ogden Arsenal, Utah.
With over 6 million of them made during the war, it takes finding something pretty unique to be considered truly rare, when talking about M1 carbines. Please read up on them first ....
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/
This Inland made receiver was one of approximately 5000 which were transferred to Rock-Ola around July 1943 ....maybe considered slightly rare as it is one of the least common transferred / lined out receivers.
That's an excellent website.
Given the information on the SN (235###X), it appears to be as indicated an Underwood receiver, 2nd Production Block. The high wood stock is correct for this model but the marking in the sling well should be either 'P-U' or 'M-U'. (Reference 'Comprehensive Guide M1 Carbine - by R.C. Larson)
As for Underwood Carbines being undesirable, I found this in the M1 Carbine Owner's Guide, by Larry L. Ruth, with Scott A. Duff, 'A frequently asked question is "Which Carbine is the best?" Initial testing at the Aberdeen Proving Ground indicated that National Postal Meter had the best overall test record for the military Carbines produced during World War II. But as far as shooting is concerned, there really is no one best military Carbine.'
The book also states 'Underwood's barrels excelled: they were the best of all in assembly and inspection, with index lines matching well on Standard Product's receivers. Their integral gas chambers were more satisfactory than swaged chambers. Underwood barrels required little straightening and gas piston and nut fit were superior.'
As for Underwood Carbines being undesirable, I found this in the M1 Carbine Owner's Guide, by Larry L. Ruth, with Scott A. Duff, 'A frequently asked question is "Which Carbine is the best?" Initial testing at the Aberdeen Proving Ground indicated that National Postal Meter had the best overall test record for the military Carbines produced during World War II. But as far as shooting is concerned, there really is no one best military Carbine.'
The book also states 'Underwood's barrels excelled: they were the best of all in assembly and inspection, with index lines matching well on Standard Product's receivers. Their integral gas chambers were more satisfactory than swaged chambers. Underwood barrels required little straightening and gas piston and nut fit were superior.'
I know I beat this to death on advice for aspiring Garand builders, but get the Kuhnhausen Shop Manual on the M1 Carbine. The US Army TM on the M1 Carbine is also available as a re-print and is very useful. P.S. I have no financial relationship with Kuhnhausen, but all of his shop manuals are excellent.
I am pretty much confident the stock is a post war rebuild. There are no markings other then the #35 in the left side sling well possible rack #. No markings on flat are in sling well. Only O.G. in middle of stock so a replacement stock with the rest of the parts rebuild.
If this is true I wouldn't even want it at all, which puts the price in my book $800 range.
He did say a safe queen not sure what he meant as there is different interpretations of that.
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A 75 year old military surplus rifle that is a safe queen (Ha). One of the carbines I own is an Underwood (actually stamped with a struck through 'INLAND DIV' with a 'U' above it on the receiver) and I think I've only fired it a few times in the 10 or so years I owned it, so really a safe queen with regards to my ownership. It's in great shape but I can hardly speak to it for its first 65 years.
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