M10X Canadian MSRP set

GuiltySpark said:
Legitimate question, is there any references or sources of exactly how the trigger was upgraded? Other than them saying it's a DMR match grade trigger?
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It's a standard AK trigger according to every review or youtube video I have seen. Of course, there are some expensive and well made AK trigger out there, just as there are mass-produced AK trigger that have trigger slap issues (google it - it's unique to AK lowers, which the M10X has).

I don't know which AK trigger M&M uses, but it's still an AK trigger, so no, it won;t feel like a match grade mechanism as you would see on a real DMR rifle like, say, a factory Sage Mk14 EBR, AR10T, or SR-25 Mk11.
 
cr5 said:
DMR and x39 in the same description of a rifle should raise a few flags, simple marketing ploy to fool the fools. I wouldn't expect anything better than 4-6 moa from this rifle, time will tell.
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We all know what one certain dealer with 2 sample rifles was getting using commercial hunting ammo in the one M10X they were testing. It was not as good as 4-6MOA, so hopefully that was just a lemon gun.
 
Claven2 said:
We all know what one certain dealer with 2 sample rifles was getting using commercial hunting ammo in the one M10X they were testing. It was not as good as 4-6MOA, so hopefully that was just a lemon gun.
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Hard to say, I think they may have a bit of a grudge right now but if this can't shoot any better with an optic than my T81 can do with irons and my terrible skills behind them then there really is a huge problem with this rifle.
I'd wait to see what guys are getting once these actually start coming in before I pass judgement on it in the accuracy department.
 
xdmer said:
The only thing I recall, is that M+M says it's a two stage trigger now, not sure if this was the case before or not.
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I believe the M10X-Z and the M10X Elite both had regular single-stage AK triggers, but as I mentioned, they accept any standard AK trigger pack, and it's a user swappable part.

For example, Arsenal makes a $40 2-stage AK trigger that many US builders use to get the mandated US manufacture round count required to import foreign AK's into the states. For all we know right now, this might be the "DMR trigger" M&M is now using. Time will tell.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1006413534/arsenal-inc-two-stage-us-made-trigger-group-ak-47-ak-74-steel-matte

If I were buying an M10X variant, I'd want the cheapest option set possible so I could pick the AK lower bits and pieces I wanted, not a few $40 drop-in parts and a price hike for their trouble - but that's just me.
 
Yeah, I'm referring to what Mike said at the NS show, the vid that was just posted the other day.
Claven2 said:
I believe the M10X-Z and the M10X Elite both had regular single-stage AK triggers, but as I mentioned, they accept any standard AK trigger pack, and it's a user swappable part.

For example, Arsenal makes a $40 2-stage AK trigger that many US builders use to get the mandated US manufacture round count required to import foreign AK's into the states. For all we know right now, this might be the "DMR trigger" M&M is now using. Time will tell.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...us-made-trigger-group-ak-47-ak-74-steel-matte

If I were buying an M10X variant, I'd want the cheapest option set possible so I could pick the AK lower bits and pieces I wanted, not a few $40 drop-in parts and a price hike for their trouble - but that's just me.
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cr5 said:
It all depends where the machining marks are, if they are on a friction/wear surface that's bad but if it's just on the side of the carrier where nothing is touching it during cycling then it make zero difference.
Look at the APC, that is a $4000 retail rifle and guys were posting pics with machining marks all over the parts, as long as the important surfaces are finished properly it's just saving them money by not wasting time polishing something that does nothing.

As for warranty, even if M+M does have good customer service and takes care of it's US customers that means nothing here since most parts will have to go through the importer to make it across the border.

The M10x looks decent but it's still being made by a company run by a douchebag and imported by a company with a less than stellar reputation for customer service once they have your money.

I was almost onboard at $1500 then the drama started and the owner made some comments that disgusted me, then the price jumped $500 just to have an inch and a half more barrel and a DMR safety and I'd had enough. I can't justify $2000 for a x39 bullet hose from a company with no history that's run by an assclown.

I predict this rifle to sell a few units at $2000 then we'll get the range reports and find out about the problems with it and the price will be $1500 within 18 months, then they still won't sell too many and it will be another page in CGN history. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of the guys who are buying one but to me it's just too much money to throw at a rifle that I'm buying so I can shoot the cheapest ammo I can find. DMR and x39 in the same description of a rifle should raise a few flags, simple marketing ploy to fool the fools. I wouldn't expect anything better than 4-6 moa from this rifle, time will tell.




How do you know the M10x won't be the same? Until these are in Canada and in customers hands they are simply vaporware, no one really knows anything.

I'm anxiously waiting for your range report though, I won't be buying one but it's still another NR option on the market and a good thing for our community.
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Yeah, even after all the fiasco I still kinda wanted one, but for me it was the comments by the CEO that really ticked me off.

I don't mind paying for pricey guns, but that communication is just next level haha... Ended up spending my money on some other stuff including a Canik, contemplating more Sigs, tempted by the SLR, and a Walther; thank god for options.
 
I for one have grown bored with discussing the M10X. It has all been said and repeated ad-nauseum, with people now simply restating positions that they long ago adopted. Quite frankly, this discussion is no longer worth my time unless there are major new revelations of some sort during the next 3 months. Time will tell if the rifle is reflective of the company marketing it or if the universally positive reviews are to be believed. The proof will be in the pudding, and everything else between now and then is either second-hand information or pure conjecture.

I will try the M10X just like I was one of the first in Canada to adopt the Robarm M96 and XCR rifles. Just like I tried the B&T ÀPC 223 and before that, the Classic Green. Long before those I was an early adopter of the original AI AR10, the AUG, Galil, and many other designs that were new or not yet mainstream. That is what I enjoy most about the hobby - trying the new and/or different designs that appeal to me. I have yet to be disappointed by any of my selections for early adoption and I don't expect the M10X to change that. Fortunately I have been savvy enough to avoid clunkers like the T97 and T81 thus far, along with known disappointments such as the M17 bullpup.

By all accounts to date, the M10X design is a winner with unique elements such as the composite steel and aluminum upper receiver. That is ample reason for me to give it a try by my personal criteria. I couldn't honestly care less if I am the only person to buy one, so convincing others to also buy is completely unimportant to me. I already have an SKS, Russian AKMS and a VZ 58. I am not at all interested in more of the same, nor am I interested in some other antiquated design that just happens to be new to Canada. I want what comes next....

Enjoy the continued discussion. I am taking a break for more entertaining and worthwhile (to me) pastures.
 
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I can think of one thing that would help..... how about some straight forward, no nonsense explanations of the changes made to the new model?
Provided by the Manufacturer and or the Importer.
Easy.


Nice butt though.
 
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