MAC-10s and Cobrays
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you cannot compare both on an equal footing. the Uzi, though revolutionary, remains a continuity to the standard role of a SMG of that era. the Mac-10, as designed and marketed by Mitch Werbell, was a whole other beast.
I would elaborate but I m just getting used to this I-crap and about to find out if it has the capabilies of a frisbee. Yes I'm old!! Hence I know of what I speak.
actually , i shot one years ago- we were doing field trials with it against an uzi- granted , it was in 9 and had the supressor, but it would misfeed about every 4th or 5th round, ( it was an ingram) and the uzi was not only better balanced, but the whole burst went into a space the size of an ear on a b-27 target; the mac had trouble keeping on the target, when it wouldn't misfeed- we went with the uzi, even though it's a much larger package-
and i'm old as well-
the m1911 with the 12 round magazine was also fielded, and found that there would be a "dead" spot after round 8( the mags were made by a firm in nys)which could be remedied by hitting the floorplate a good sound crack- it didn't qualify either
and i'm old as well-
the m1911 with the 12 round magazine was also fielded, and found that there would be a "dead" spot after round 8( the mags were made by a firm in nys)which could be remedied by hitting the floorplate a good sound crack- it didn't qualify either
I'm tearing up as MY Uzi was confiscated by the Sureté after the ''troubles''.
I would also, in 90% of the cases, go with an Uzi, however in that extra particular case scenario: 30 sub-sonic rds at 1200 rpm in a 10 x10 room
Yeah, this looks pretty sick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQyUk1gVVGs
I've always thought that if we had reasonable gun laws like our southern brothers do, a semi auto MAC in 9MM or something like that would be an early choice for me just so I could go out in the bush and plink with it.
If I won a ton of money in the lottery and moved down south, it's be something I got as soon as I could.
After about three FAL's.
And an HK91
And a nice AK in 5.45
And several compact handguns
And....crap. Where was I going with this?
If I won a ton of money in the lottery and moved down south, it's be something I got as soon as I could.
After about three FAL's.
And an HK91
And a nice AK in 5.45
And several compact handguns
And....crap. Where was I going with this?
I'm tearing up as MY Uzi was confiscated by the Sureté after the ''troubles''.
I would also, in 90% of the cases, go with an Uzi, however in that extra particular case scenario: 30 sub-sonic rds at 1200 rpm in a 10 x10 room
like i said, it was a provincial thing- guys as far west as mb got confiscated , probably bc too- however, maybe they weren't members of the nfa and didn't have the knowledge base or the head of the nfa to file papers with the court; like i said, INTIMIDATION AND IGNORANCE are the bywords of the cfc- challenge in court with good valid arguements with a number of cases , and at least you have a chance;the arguement was that it was " too easily converted to full auto" and the rcmp had REPLACED THE ENITRE TRIGGER GROUP with a "virgin" uzi trigger group at the time- dave argued that ALL of the trigger groups imported to canada were "modified" ( at cbsa and cfc request) and were NOT CAPABLE as you couldn't push the change lever all the way forward- and that you CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES HALFWAY THROUGH THE GAME TO SUIT YOURSELF- those are his exact words;well , we won a little; we had to modify our uzis with a big washer so the trigger group was NON-REMOVABLE- they tried something different with the mp5/hk94/ whatever- they TOOK OUT the CHANGE LEVER , so the sear wasn't blocked, and you could fire f/a; i still remember the video they made at the time- 2 wiggles, pull, and she's out; we lost that one and the one with the sten
however, the judge gave the rcmp an admonishment for being "so devious and underhanded"
for those who don't know or are wondering, the nfa was very small at the time and was canada's only voice in firearms ; dat = DAVID A TOMLINSON; possibly the most brilliant mind in firearms law we'll ever see- the other head was ray laycock; before hinter come in and buggered the works
I've long had a major fascination with the MAC-10 (MAC-11), in fact it's one of the reasons I got into firearms.
Perhaps it all started one Christmas long ago...
for me, it was JOHN WAYNE in "McQ"- it's not registered, well neither am i- just like "get off my lawn" 30 some odd years later"-however ,that's hollywood and the real world is quite different- a world where macs jam, you only have 30 rounds for a magazineand you get your fingers burned if you fire WITHOUT the suppressor- besides, it "prints" through a suitcoat , even using a mac-scatter
The smaller Uzi series, ie. mini and micro have a very fast cyclic rate. Right up there with the MAC.
They are the few guns that actually keep up with the movie industry rates of fire. The normal 500-800 rpm doesn't sound cool enough for prime time TV.
They are the few guns that actually keep up with the movie industry rates of fire. The normal 500-800 rpm doesn't sound cool enough for prime time TV.
Some of the open bolt sub-guns can be reasonably accurate though.
I've got a Franchi LF-57 that can hit the 10" steel plates at 100m with regularity.
Back in the day, before my Uzi became a baby killer, the same was true.
As with a lot of guns, I think ammo selection will have a large impact on performance, especially with 9mm at 100,
I've got a Franchi LF-57 that can hit the 10" steel plates at 100m with regularity.
Back in the day, before my Uzi became a baby killer, the same was true.
As with a lot of guns, I think ammo selection will have a large impact on performance, especially with 9mm at 100,
