Maccabee Defense SLR information and updates
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juancarlos
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This is the way to do it. You can then basically order anything you want from Brownell’s.
Separating the upper and lower receiver isn't some rare thing that you could get away with using a bolt. Its not if, its when that thing strips. And being captive makes it even worse as you couldn't even carry a spare screw and replace in the field. Its a really really hard thing for me to swallow as literally every rifle (military or military inspired) enables you get access the bolt and trigger group with out tools. The amount of use that screw would see is very high, wear out is inevitable and how often you would need to use a allen key would annoy the heck out of you. Im really on the fence about a MV with multiple uppers or this. They got my respect and admiration for this whole project but I'm harping on that take down bolt and wanting others too as well while there's still time to change it.
I get every time a new product hits the Canadian market there's a slew of unreasonable requests and nit picking about random crap. But I don't think for one second that a brass deflector or tool less take down of a black rifle is unreasonable in any way hell those things are expected. Brass deflector is solved so come on guys do it right the first time and redesign this with a pin.
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Yes you are correct, why couldn't they make it a proprietary captured pin.
My JR carbine had screws and it was driving me mad.
a proprietary pin and hole? just make sure it doesn't fit with a regular ar15 pin and hole.
Unlikely, it would be impossible to put this upper on a ar15 lower even with a pin not screw. I just hope that redesigning the take down wouldn't require a re submission to the RCMP lab. To be fair they seem to be taking constructive criticism very well on instagram. I dont use instagram but if anyone here does head on over and give them a shout about the take down pin. The fact that they are willing to release the stripped receivers is a game changer for me. If that one take down kink is ironed out in the production model im all in. I see no reason why a guy couldn't get submoa outa this thing.
You would have to ask them but it almost definitely does
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If you guys want your opinion to be heard, a good place to do that is on their Instagram feed. I let them know about my concern of a take down bolt and my desire for a tool less (preferably captive pin) design, and they were receptive, however they also stated that they would like to produce this initial gen 1 as is, while looking into further development. I also asked them to consider revising what is in my opinion a very ugly magwell profile.
My concern is that they will either:
A) rush to produce gen one as is and then not pursue alternate designs for holding the the recievers together as it would be to much hassle to manage having spare matching style recievers for each design
B) they do produce the new captive pin style reciever set for Gen 2, and stop producing spare recievers of the Gen 1 style, making multiple uppers for your Gen 1 lower a "limited time offer".
Maybe I am wrong and they continue to produce both, but it seems like a hassle.
Its crucial that they nail how the people want the recievers to mount the first time to avoid any hassle/non-interchangeable generationaly parts.
My concern is that they will either:
A) rush to produce gen one as is and then not pursue alternate designs for holding the the recievers together as it would be to much hassle to manage having spare matching style recievers for each design
B) they do produce the new captive pin style reciever set for Gen 2, and stop producing spare recievers of the Gen 1 style, making multiple uppers for your Gen 1 lower a "limited time offer".
Maybe I am wrong and they continue to produce both, but it seems like a hassle.
Its crucial that they nail how the people want the recievers to mount the first time to avoid any hassle/non-interchangeable generationaly parts.
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Lol nice play on words
Im willing to live with the magwell but I am really wondering what problem they were trying to solve or what advantage they think that angle gives.
Yes, exactly.
I used a time cert to fix a drainplug on a moto I bought once.
It was very solid.
http://www.timesert.com/html/drainplug.html
My point is, if the bolt is threading into steel I wouldn't worry too much.
Steel into alum, I would be. Many users would over torque and strip threads.
What happens if/when you round out the 4mm hex head of the screw. This is a real oversight and a corner cut, and problem just waiting to happen. I hope the set comes with replacement screws and a set of extractors.
If they have the opportunity to rectify this before going into production they really should.
Half of the scope mounts and rings I've bought on the ee came with the screws all trashed, truth is most people just aren't good with small fasteners.
Hell even a knurled knob with a slot for a blade/screwdriver/coin would be preferable to a hex screw!!!!
My guess is to just further differentiate it from the AR15. Personally I'm not a fan of the steep angle either, especially with our ten round mags, but it's a relatively minor nitpick if everything else functions as it should.
Haha WTF? What happens is you deal with it and try harder not not be a hamfist.
Bolts are usually sized for the application 4mm says low torque to me. if you can't deal with the fact that a bolt requires 5nm and you've just ####ed it up by tightening it repeatedly to 10nm then the problem lies with you, not the design. Military arms are designed to be used by troops with an IQ of less than 90 (yeah I know they don't specifically test for IQ), this is not a firearm being entered in a military trial. It is designed for civilian usage.
