Maccabee Defense SLR information and updates

frabill said:
And anodizing is better than cerakote. Baaaaam.
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You're right, and nowhere did I say anything to the contrary.

jiffx2781 said:
Actually it appears that "whining on the forums" did cause them to look into fixing the problem.

Do you think Maccabee and/or their retailers don't watch the forums to see how customers respond to these fkups?

Multiple people have already canceled due to this and may more have said they will be cancelling if they don't get this issue sorted out and deliver an annodized receiver as stated in the specifications at the time they paid the deposit.

Maccabee is already looking into another annodizer and has told it's retailers that the cerakote is only temporary.

This is all thanks to customer backlash aka "whining on the forums"


Sure glad I'm only into this thing for a hundred bucks. I'll wait it out and see if they get this issue resolved.
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You can't prove that the whining made any difference. There's no way to know for sure if MDI had intentions of offering Cerakote sets as a temporary solution or if that changed after the whining.

bill c68 said:
MDI was unfortunately faced with a lose lose situation.
Everyone #####ing about the wait and now #####ing about the solution.
But one later, buy one never, buy one now... your choice.
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Exactly

Fisselig said:
Dude, offering a product with an inferior finish isn't a solution for picking a crappy anodizer in the first place.
If they want it done right they should send it to people who can actually do it well, like whoever ATRS or MRA uses.
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And you're absolutely sure they picked a crappy anodizer? They didn't end up being the victim of poor application after seeing acceptable results on testing? You do know that the Cerakote sets are a temporary solution?

jiffx2781 said:
Agreed.

My ATRS and Maple Ridge Armoury products are anodized to perfection. Actually the finish on my MRA handguard matches up within 99% to the finish on my MV. And i highly doubt they were done by the same company.

My point is there are companies out there who do high quality work. Maccabee had enough time to send out scraps of the aluminum they are using to multiple anodizers and choose the best one. Not wait until now to figure it out.

If anyone who is not connected to either of these companies know who does their anodizing hopefully they can pass that info along to MacDef.

This is a unique Canadian product and I would like nothing other than to see them succeed. Even if they need someone to point them in the right direction.
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Like Armedsask has pointed out, the use of the same anodizer as either company you mention above may not have been an option, we don't know.

koesdibyo said:
MDI PUT themselves in a lose-lose situation.

String along your customers with falsely estimated dates coupled with an extremely optimistic/fantasyland "estimate", lack of communication about why delays were occurring, inability to stay consistent, canned responses of "we're ensuring top quality" when asked about things... and yet quality was not achieved.

To those that are saying we either "simply have $100" invested and we can get out anytime, blah blah blah... yes you're correct, I only HAD $100 invested in the receiver (no longer apart of this trainwreck), but that doesn't mean because I am no longer invested I no longer have a voice.

MDI is terribly run. Simple as that.

AB_Blaster will surely blow some more smoke that "estimated" time lines arent real and shouldn't ever be honoured, or even remotely try to achieve them, because the definition of "estimate" is so grey.
It is after all "common sense" that estimates should be months, years, decades, etc off because #### it... why even try right?
Lying, or what will now be referred to as "estimating" is just a great business strategy.
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Again, the timelines were not falsely given, they were wildly inaccurate but they were simply ESTIMATES. On a side note Tesla is very far behind on their delivery schedule as well. It happens to companies large and small. If MDI's estimates were so fantasyland as you say they why did you bother with a deposit? You seem so sure they wouldn't meet their estimates.

I understand you have a voice, the reality is your opinion on a situation you don't have a stake in is almost entirely worthless.

Armedsask said:
In MDIs defence, anodizing can be a very finicky process. There aren't a lot of shops that do it well, there are even less that will do firearms. I've had inconsistent results from the exact same finisher on the exact same item, just in separate batches. Used them to do hundreds of parts, they screwed up a batch. Sh!t happens. It's possible all the SLR test parts looked great, and the ball was dropped with the production batch. I wonder if all the anodizing experts here have any experience with the process.

"Just get the guys ATRS uses." It's entirely possible that isn't an option.
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Well said.
 
AB_blaster said:
You can't prove that the whining made any difference. There's no way to know for sure if MDI had intentions of offering Cerakote sets as a temporary solution or if that changed after the whining.
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From TNA in their own forum AFTER a lot of backlash (aka "whining"):

True North Arms Corp said:
Most of the feedback here and by email on cerakote was negative so I had a talk on the phone with Wyatt the head cheese at Maccebee. I shared your and our concerns about this last-minute change of coating. I'll relay what I understood from the conversation....

....Nevertheless, Maccabee hears the feedback and will broaden their search for anodizers to find a solution for people that 'must have' anodizing, which will take some more time of course. We at TNA have some ideas so we are exploring this as well.
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I don't need to prove anything to a shill as there would be no convincing regardless, however the writing is on the wall that I am correct and you're still shillin'

Welcome to my ignore list.

Please nobody else quote AB so I don't have to read his repetitive drivel
 
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jiffx2781 said:
From TNA in their own forum AFTER a lot of backlash (aka "whining"):



I don't need to prove anything to a shill as there would be no convincing regardless, however the writing is on the wall that I am correct and you're still shillin'

Welcome to my ignore list.

Please nobody else quote AB so I don't have to read his repetitive drivel
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Well there we go, some evidence that the whining did make a difference. Good to know. However, in future if you're going to make such claims you should include the evidence to support it.
 
They may watch the forums and learn from the negative responses but the cancelled orders are what drive them to get their chit together and start damage control. If they F this up and piss everyone off they'll be finished making firearms parts.

Let's hope they find another anodizer and get these moving.

Honestly, I think it would be good on them to drop the price on the first batch 20% as a thank you to all their customers who have put up with this and stuck with them. Again, I have no order with them, just think it would be good business for them as a thank you to their loyal customers who have been waiting way longer than expected.
Let's see if they really are watching the forums ;)
 
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cr5 said:
They may watch the forums and learn from the negative responses but the cancelled orders are what drive them to get their chit together and start damage control. If they F this up and piss everyone off they'll be finished making firearms parts.

Let's hope they find another anodizer and get these moving.

Honestly, I think it would be good on them to drop the price on the first batch 20% as a thank you to all their customers who have put up with this and stuck with them. Again, I have no order with them, just think it would be good business for them as a thank you to their loyal customers who have been waiting way longer than expected.
Let's see if they really are watching the forums ;)
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That would be roughly 800 Receiver Sets(rumour I read here) X $1000EACH X 20% OFF = $160, 000 LOSS (Cost of one of their VF3)

I don't see if happening LOL

On a side note: I feel their pain searching for a reputable Anodize shop. It may take some time for their anodizers to cater to their needs if they stick with the same ones, like building proper RACKING for the receivers not to GOUGE them, and more due diligence on the anodizers to properly ETCH (too much and part is UNDERSIZE) and Anodize the parts and make sure SUFFICIENT (Type III is supposed to be 0.0005 to 0.002in) build up and not F up tolerances all while trying to get a good finish. If you go for the lowest bidder, you get what you pay for!!! No accountability and employees who dont give a damn!

Personally, I would rather have a proper ANodize thickness over Looks, chalky is fine by me.
 
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I just put another 250 rounds through my SLR today. So much awesome! It was well worth the wait. I can't wait to take it Gopher shooting and maybe yote hunting.
 
I just put another 250 rounds through my SLR today. So much awesome! It was well worth the wait. I can't wait to take it Gopher shooting and maybe yote hunting.
 
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They slide in together like a slide on a pistol and then lock in place by the hex screw. There's a small torx screw that prevents the hex screw from falling out completely
 
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