Make My Shotgun Longer?

PepeLapiu said:
The barrel needs to be externally threaded? Or threaded on the inside?

I know I can get some barrel extensions that thread onto choke threads. And tge only choke threads I have ever seen are on the inside of the barrel, as in female threads.

It still would be nice to add a barrel extension/choke/brake/hider at the end of that tiny barrel whenever I want.
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You can do either. If your barrel is threaded for chokes already, you can get an extended choke that has external threads like mine: (Bought from Tactical ordnance when i got the breacher)

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If your barrel is a fixed bore (no chokes) you could have it drilled for chokes and THEN buy a breacher and the extended threaded choke like I have, OR you could get it threaded on the outside and cut out the choke entirely (simpler, less parts and side impact on the breacher won't be as likely to snap the choke in half). Having the standard choke threads would definitely add more use to the barrel though!
 
I see, and what would that adapter choke tube be called?
I can't really thread the outside of the muzzle, it's too close to the barrle lug and front post.

I'm thinking of maybe getting one or two barrel extensions like this:
http://tacord.com/products/performance-products/breaching-attachment/

And one of the extension could be tapped for choke tubes. That way it's a pretty versatile shotgun in a compact format. But I'm thinking two barrel extensions is starting to be a lot of parts for a single barrel. I'm not sure how well that would work.
 
PepeLapiu said:
I see, and what would that adapter choke tube be called?
I can't really thread the outside of the muzzle, it's too close to the barrle lug and front post.

I'm thinking of maybe getting one or two barrel extensions like this:
http://tacord.com/products/performance-products/breaching-attachment/

And one of the extension could be tapped for choke tubes. That way it's a pretty versatile shotgun in a compact format. But I'm thinking two barrel extensions is starting to be a lot of parts for a single barrel. I'm not sure how well that would work.
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I think when I ordered it from TacOrd, Casey just called it an extended threaded choke for the breacher.

If you want to get the shotgun threaded for chokes (makes sense if the mag tube lug is in the way) I'd send the barrel to Casey at TacOrd and have him thread it for a common choke style (Remington chokes would make sense) and then order the breacher and the proper choke adapter for the breacher. Casey will know what you need if you shoot him an Email! Just tell him you have fixed bore barrel you want a breacher to go onto it, and need it to be threaded for chokes. He'll be able to get the choke to go with the breacher.

He may also be able to silver solder it on permanently, I'm not sure if that would be the best idea though (much simpler and less parts).... The nice thing about having chokes is the ability to use a bunch of different types, so the idea of an extended choke that's also threaded for chokes isn't too bad... you could always do that later on though!


It's really up to you, for how far you want to go. But getting it threaded for chokes (even if you use a fixed stock when NOT using a breacher) isn't a bad idea, it'll give you more options on what you can shoot with it.
 
So did you give up on the idea that attaching a flashlight to the fore end was a legal means of making the shotgun long enough to remain non restricted? You pushed that idea hard on the other forum you are referring to.
 
stubblejumper said:
Because the shotgun will function without the flashlight. Seeing as how the OP hasn't been pushing that idea here, I am thinking that even he has accepted that.
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I’m sorry I missed the part of the law that says that.... so because my 12.5” 870 will function without the butt stock it must be prohibited or restricted? Should I glue the parts on? I’m so glad you’ve pointed this out! There are literally thousands of guns that must be reclassified now.

Just to take this further... yesterday there was a Sten gun for sale on cgn. The mag well was missing so it wasn’t a gun legally just parts and yet it’s a single shot firearm.
I’ve got an advantage arms .22 conversion kit for my glock. It will fire without the glock... yup not a gun at all. Just parts.

One of the worst parts about the Canadian gun owner as a whole is we are so willing to make up rules to further restrict ourselves... if you don’t think the flashlight works don’t do it. Why you would bring it up here is beyond me.
 
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kbont said:
When measuring the overall length of a firearm, the measurement is taken
along a line which is parallel to the axis of the bore from a perpendicular
tangential line which touches the rearmost point of the firearm to the
muzzle.
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I know... Again, over ALL length... ALL is the important part.
 
Cameron SS said:
More to the point, the flashlight moves with the slide. With the action open the flashlight probably doesnt exceed barrel length.
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If the firearm can;t be discharged with the action open, it doesn't matter. The length that matters is the shortest length that the firearm can be when it is fired.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/clas-eng.htm

Restricted firearm* means:

a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
a firearm that
is not a prohibited firearm,
has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm in the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted.
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So if you are using a flashlight to make the firearm long enough, and the firearm can still be fired with the flashlight removed, the length of the flashlight can't be considered.
 
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stubblejumper said:
So did you give up on the idea that attaching a flashlight to the fore end was a legal means of making the shotgun long enough to remain non restricted? You pushed that idea hard on the other forum you are referring to.
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I didn't give up on the idea at all.
I do like the flashlight idea best because I already have most of the stuff needed.
Although I also like the idea of a threaded barrel for chokes so I can ad a muzzle devise or even a barrel extension.

I'm not giving up on any of these ideas. I think it's pretty obvious the law states 'overall lenght'.
I think those guys were pushing very hard that only a new longer barrel would do the trick. No flashlight, no muzzle attachments, no nothing.

I really don't know why so many people keep pushing that idea without the law saying anything to that effect.

Whatever I choose will not be permanent. Could be a barrel extension, a 6 inch long rifled choke,a light, or whatever.

But once I'm done I do intend to get it verified as an unrestricted gun and post my results on here.

At the very least, it will dispel that myth so many are propagating.

If I hesitate on the light idea is not because it's illegal, it's because too many people think it's illegal. And it make me think that I might meet a cop who's as uninformed at the rest of them.

In any case, I will get it verified and report back with the documents and results.
 
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stubblejumper said:
If the firearm can;t be discharged with the action open, it doesn't matter. The length that matters is the shortest length that the firearm can be when it is fired.
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A shotgun with closed bolt action can only be fired with the closed bolt. A 870 can not be fired with the bolt opened. So the lenght of the gun with the forend pulled back is not relevent.

So if you are using a flashlight to make the firearm long enough, and the firearm can still be fired with the flashlight removed, the length of the flashlight can't be considered.
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Of the light is permanently affixed to the forend, that means if you remove the light, you also have to remove the forend. A 870 can not be fired with the forend removed.

But all that is all a waste of time because nothing in the law specifies that it's the overall lenght of all things needed, or the overall lenght of all things permanently affixed, just the overall lenght, period.

Merely repeating over and over that the overall lenght stops at the muzzle doesn't make it true.

Be careful about following the masses. Sometimes the S is silent.

Yup, stole that one from an other member here.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
Eureka... I missed the fore end part. That makes some sense.
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Yes. The firearm must be measured when in a state from which it van be fired.

For example my Kel-Tec Sub-2000 measures only 20 inch when folded. But that measurement is not relevent to.the law because the gun can only be fired when unfolded to 37 inch.

Same with my shotgun. If the light is installed on the forend, the light gets pulled back when the bolt is opened. But a closed bolt design can't be made to fire with the bolt open.
You would have to measure the overall lenght of the gun with the bolt closed and the forend pushed forward.

However, a great many guys are saying that overall lenght only means lenght to muzzle. Others asaying that if the gun can function without it, it's not counted in the overall lenght. And yet others are saying whatever I install must be installed in a permanent fashion.

But the law makes no mention of anything being installed permanently. Or that it needs to be needed to be counted in the overall lenght.

For all I care, I could strap a pool noodle on the side of the gun. If it makes it's overall lenght longer, that's all that matters.
 
Sorry guys but I can't post pics yet. But here is a post on AlbertaOutdoorsmen irum with a picture included in it:
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showpost.php?p=3760768&postcount=1
With the stock folded and the bolt opened, the gun will be 23.5 inch long.
With the stock folded and the bolt closed, the gun will be 26 or 27 inch long.
The extra lenght will be afforded by the light being pushed forward when the bolt is closed.

On that forum, I was accused of looking for a loop hole, skirting the law, trolling, and insulting others. You read the thread and be the judge.

It got a bit silly when they started to claim the gun I am putting together would be prohibited due to the 12 inch barrel.
 
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