demobilization, repatriation, reconstruction and foreign currency were the priorities of the day. Occupational forces were big markets. Thats why Ernst Leitz swung back into business asap. The only big danger was falling afoul of de-nazification efforts that could be little too zealous at times - a photograph of a company exec taken with a ranking Nazi could cause a lot of problems.
Mannlichers....
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Given the purpose of the battue design I am not surprised you didn't like it. I was never overly enthusiastic about the 21H DST feel/weight when the trigger was not set. On the other hand my Steyr-Mannlicher has SST and I love it.
Well in that case, here is a M72 that belongs to a fellow I know - apparently the last Mannlicher-Schoenauer ever made - with factory deep relief engraving and oak leaf stock engraving as well. Note the Steyr logo. It is a 1/2 stock model and is chambered for 7mm RM. It is unfired and as minty as you will likely ever find.
Very nice,...although I prefer older engraving styles. (I can't stand the modern kitsch "photo-realist" style. And there is nothing worse than etching that tries to look like engraving or stamped "engraving".) But I still like most actually hand engraved guns including this one....and I do like this deeply sculpted German style...too bad hand engraving is necessarily expensive.
According to the "Baribal" text (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1067622-BRNO-Model-21H/page2) partly reproduced below , I guess my fullstock BRNO may be actually a 21F. The length of the rifle is 41.5 in. , the barrel (to front of receiver ring) is 19 3/4 in (approx. 50.5 cm.) and the barrel is 20.5 in. to front of bolt. So that makes it the shorter carbine version.
Nevertheless since the rifle is marked "45" I think it also proves that Brno sporting rifle production restarted before 1946.
"There were a couple of models actually; 21H/21F, 22H/22F as per said before the 21 and 22 refer to barrel lenghts 600mm or 520mm and the "H" refers to half stock while the "F" refers to full stock.
The production of the 21 series, at least, started about '37 ended up in '40 and resumed mid to late '46 to 1950. About 46 000 rifles were made.
There was variations before they set on the integral scope mount, very late '46 or early '47... some of the early are found with round bolt handles but most are found with the spoon handle.
Calibers included;
6.5X57
7X57
7X64
8X57
8X60S
9X57 and there are some in 9.3X62 in Europe, but seems to be rebarreld or rebored...
About '48-'49 the Galas design (Otakar Galas, the designer of the ZG47) was put into production, and was available somewhere in '49
but according to John303 (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1067622-BRNO-Model-21H/page3) "21" and "22" have nothing to do with barrel length:
"Any way this is my take, 21 & 22 have nothing to do with barrel length, stock length, triggers etc. 21 has a round receiver made up to about 1950 and came with claw mounts if wanted, 22 has the intergral mounts (bridges) and made up to the mid fifties. H is for half stock and F for full as is Mannlicher stock. The Hs could be had as a rifle and as a carbine. "
Anyway...enough about BRNO...I think maybe it belongs over here: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1067622-BRNO-Model-21H/page3
According to the "Baribal" text (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1067622-BRNO-Model-21H/page2) partly reproduced below , I guess my fullstock BRNO may be actually a 21F. The length of the rifle is 41.5 in. , the barrel (to front of receiver ring) is 19 3/4 in (approx. 50.5 cm.) and the barrel is 20.5 in. to front of bolt. So that makes it the shorter carbine version.
Nevertheless since the rifle is marked "45" I think it also proves that Brno sporting rifle production restarted before 1946.
"There were a couple of models actually; 21H/21F, 22H/22F as per said before the 21 and 22 refer to barrel lenghts 600mm or 520mm and the "H" refers to half stock while the "F" refers to full stock.
The production of the 21 series, at least, started about '37 ended up in '40 and resumed mid to late '46 to 1950. About 46 000 rifles were made.
There was variations before they set on the integral scope mount, very late '46 or early '47... some of the early are found with round bolt handles but most are found with the spoon handle.
Calibers included;
6.5X57
7X57
7X64
8X57
8X60S
9X57 and there are some in 9.3X62 in Europe, but seems to be rebarreld or rebored...
About '48-'49 the Galas design (Otakar Galas, the designer of the ZG47) was put into production, and was available somewhere in '49
but according to John303 (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1067622-BRNO-Model-21H/page3) "21" and "22" have nothing to do with barrel length:
"Any way this is my take, 21 & 22 have nothing to do with barrel length, stock length, triggers etc. 21 has a round receiver made up to about 1950 and came with claw mounts if wanted, 22 has the intergral mounts (bridges) and made up to the mid fifties. H is for half stock and F for full as is Mannlicher stock. The Hs could be had as a rifle and as a carbine. "
Anyway...enough about BRNO...I think maybe it belongs over here: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1067622-BRNO-Model-21H/page3
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I hadn't realized that the Mannlicher Schonauer (Schoenauer) M72 doesnt have a readily removable magazine - must be the first (and last) without that function.
I understood that all post war M-S had hammer forged barrels ...I have wondered why they chose to leave the "swirls" on the exterior starting in 1967?
BTW - I like that M72 a lot
I understood that all post war M-S had hammer forged barrels ...I have wondered why they chose to leave the "swirls" on the exterior starting in 1967?
BTW - I like that M72 a lot
They work a lot better than their critics give them credit for...especially when mounted at the mid-bolt position like on a M-S. To me they are like double set triggers...I seem to lose interest in rifles that don't have them. I've successfully hunted quite a bit with both the butterknife bolt handle and double set triggers. No problems.
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I do not believe any of the Mannlicher-Schoenauers had a removable magazine. That feature started in 1969 with the Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 69, which was the basis of their sporting rifles. I don't know exactly when Steyr Mannlicher started production on the sporter versions known as the SL, L, M and S.
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I like the original M-S - and 1950 models - for the beautiful slick action and great feeding (although American Rifleman slammed the M72 for several -3- FTF during their test of the M72) and I have found my 30/06 M1950 is pretty accurate. Triggers are crisp and there is nothing that can be criticized in terms of fit, finish, machining!! But I cant say that working the bolt while keeping the rifle at the shoulder is particularly easy.. and I find it is expedient to drop the butt down while I do this -- don't know about others experience ... but certainly mine. Dont have this problem with the Steyrs though...
No was talking about these (up to the model 1950)
look around 1:57-1:58 carefully (and throughout the video) you will see the charger guides - he has a nice rifle but makes some erroneous assumptions when dating it...thats the pleasure of these rifles _ some will say "so/so" accuracy - others have outstanding success, the options etc are many! For those that think the transition from pre to post '64 caused a fracas with Winchester Model 70's... the transition in 1967 to the Steyr design etc .. well it was just another company in the act.
here the vid
There is great deal to learn about these firearms -- was hoping Rob with his experience would add his comments about chargers and magazines etc ..
me too Hollowed Point .... I think they are terrific looking and I like to use them. My first rifle with double set triggers was a Newton in 257 Roberts ...serioulsy nice to shoot AND a pretty neat trick given the way the Newton's takedown for travel. My latest DS set trigger is on a really unusual Single Shot .222 Rem Anschutz - designed as Anschutz's "idea" of a "state of the art" bench gun I guess. Somewhere I have a double set trigger by Anschutz that was designed for an M98 which I never installed ... bought it from Rudy I think in K/W before he closed his doors. Rudy's store had all the "right stuff"!
