Marstar is Back
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I always found Johns comments entertaining.
Now see, as a fellow mimicker of old Johnone, I know you typed that in all caps, but the system automatically talked your text down from the ledge and displayed it as above. But somehow John always managed to bypass the system and get his PATENTED CGN VOICE to properly display lol. I miss his threads for the popcorns value.
Welcome back marstar. I’ve been doing business with you guys since I first heard about the transition. I’ve got a few more things to grab from you this month as well.
Been buying from Marstar since the early 90s. Always been a positive experience. Looking forward to the new younger owners taking this company into the modern era.
What would be really cool is if they could show off all their rare milsurps, the prohibs and the full autos, at some kind of open house. I got the chance to see a small portion of the shop when I picked up some ammo - would love to see more!
What would be really cool is if they could show off all their rare milsurps, the prohibs and the full autos, at some kind of open house. I got the chance to see a small portion of the shop when I picked up some ammo - would love to see more!
Marstar continued it’s business for years without CGN and I am sure they could do well without if they have chosen to do so. I do not care about what happen with the T2. Each time I purchased from Marstar it was without trouble. Service and price are great. Got two guns this year and the transactions were flawless.
In my book to be on CGN for a dealer - is to open a can of worm and exposing the company to all the cry baby that cannot take the phone and fix any issue that might arise. It kill me to read review of dealer transaction - from it went well to it took too much time or issue posted without even trying to reach the dealer by other mean than an email. That kind of post show up almost every week and all dealer seem to pass trough that bashing posting at one time or another.
I wish Marstar all the best on CGN ..you guy are great to deal with.
In my book to be on CGN for a dealer - is to open a can of worm and exposing the company to all the cry baby that cannot take the phone and fix any issue that might arise. It kill me to read review of dealer transaction - from it went well to it took too much time or issue posted without even trying to reach the dealer by other mean than an email. That kind of post show up almost every week and all dealer seem to pass trough that bashing posting at one time or another.
I wish Marstar all the best on CGN ..you guy are great to deal with.
neoconfection
Regular
- Location
- Ottawa, ON
Boy, for a bunch of people that routinely mock snowflakes, some of you sure do sound like them.
Sochi, Unexpected, OnnO, Milanczar, Davesnotheree, Maximcan, Trebor, Vigilant, Miscou kid, fiddler, Mr. Bean, Johny West, Curtton, sledge, Dsiwy, Thank you for your support.
Klaus, I don't blame you in the least. Thanks for taking the time to read the thread, please don't be shy to reach out if there's anything on your mind.
Josh, Thank you.
stripperclipper, I hope so, there's certainly a lot of work to do.
Hartley, Thanks for taking the time to read.
Boctok, Feel free to PM if you have any questions, We're here for you.
Umpire, The Takedown Lever we were waiting months to receive the parts gun for? Great to hear from you, Don't be a stranger!
Kdingman, our rates for calgary have been high lately, I have our shipping dept. looking into it to see whats going on. Two frontsights are very small though, I could ship that to you via stamp if you want to save even more. Call/pm/email me if you want to proceed 1-888-744-0066/payam@marstar.ca
cdm, kodiakjack, lol.
1ABNDT, Ha! I shared that around the office, well played sir.
Brasstacks, Thanks for the kind words and the support. I still have that website backed up, I may have to pull it back out for an April Fools...
Lee, The bigger issue is finding SVTs these days...
Gub, Interesting guess but incorrect.
Bros, 35 years is a long time, hell, I wasn't even around back then...
Saskdude, We had a conversation about it, and came to a consensus that we didn't want to hide behind a new name. Some people will never change their mind about Marstar, and they wouldn't change it even if we did rebrand and
I don't blame them (thats their right). Besides, the military in me prefers being straight-up about the changes.
Janeau, thank you for the continued support.
neoconfection, Thanks.
Curtton, Thanks! We're always looking out for new (old) products.
Klaus, I don't blame you in the least. Thanks for taking the time to read the thread, please don't be shy to reach out if there's anything on your mind.
Josh, Thank you.
stripperclipper, I hope so, there's certainly a lot of work to do.
Hartley, Thanks for taking the time to read.
Boctok, Feel free to PM if you have any questions, We're here for you.
Umpire, The Takedown Lever we were waiting months to receive the parts gun for? Great to hear from you, Don't be a stranger!
Kdingman, our rates for calgary have been high lately, I have our shipping dept. looking into it to see whats going on. Two frontsights are very small though, I could ship that to you via stamp if you want to save even more. Call/pm/email me if you want to proceed 1-888-744-0066/payam@marstar.ca
cdm, kodiakjack, lol.
1ABNDT, Ha! I shared that around the office, well played sir.
Brasstacks, Thanks for the kind words and the support. I still have that website backed up, I may have to pull it back out for an April Fools...
Lee, The bigger issue is finding SVTs these days...
Gub, Interesting guess but incorrect.
Bros, 35 years is a long time, hell, I wasn't even around back then...
Saskdude, We had a conversation about it, and came to a consensus that we didn't want to hide behind a new name. Some people will never change their mind about Marstar, and they wouldn't change it even if we did rebrand and
I don't blame them (thats their right). Besides, the military in me prefers being straight-up about the changes.
Janeau, thank you for the continued support.
neoconfection, Thanks.
Curtton, Thanks! We're always looking out for new (old) products.
Chargerguy
CGN frequent flyer
This makes sense now. I recently bought some parts kits from Marstar and the service was exceptional.
Welcome back! Got my order delivered 2 days ago. Still prompt service.
Honestly, I totally forgot the fiasco from before and kept on ordering. I knew there was a falling out but I'm pretty self centered when it comes to my toys. Hell, I still buy Norc products once in a while and I can't stand commies lol.
Still won't buy Gillette product tho...
Honestly, I totally forgot the fiasco from before and kept on ordering. I knew there was a falling out but I'm pretty self centered when it comes to my toys. Hell, I still buy Norc products once in a while and I can't stand commies lol.
Still won't buy Gillette product tho...
rednekhuntr
CGN Regular
I`ve purchased several firearms, magazines, ammo etc from Marstar over the last 10 years or so. I stopped buying from them because I disliked the way johnone responded to reasonable questions on CGN, and had no desire to give my business to someone that I find personally distasteful. That being said, now that he`s gone I`ll certainly start buying from them again.
Galilman, inky, rfo1, Thanks for the support!
benwilliam, We've been working on that for a while. Red tape keeps slowing this project down.
rommelrommel, Thanks for taking the time to read the thread.
Kodiakjack, In progress, no eta for the top banner
BAAC, thanks for the kind words, Its always a pleasure.
Chargerguy, thanks for the order and the kind words.
Karnage, Glad to hear the deliveries are going out quickly enough, I've got a few more features to implement on the new site (stamp shipping, int'l sales) and then we'll be hammering down on workflows and speed.
rednekhuntr, Welcome back, Please feel free to contact me directly if there's anything I can help with.
Payam
benwilliam, We've been working on that for a while. Red tape keeps slowing this project down.
rommelrommel, Thanks for taking the time to read the thread.
Kodiakjack, In progress, no eta for the top banner
BAAC, thanks for the kind words, Its always a pleasure.
Chargerguy, thanks for the order and the kind words.
Karnage, Glad to hear the deliveries are going out quickly enough, I've got a few more features to implement on the new site (stamp shipping, int'l sales) and then we'll be hammering down on workflows and speed.
rednekhuntr, Welcome back, Please feel free to contact me directly if there's anything I can help with.
Payam
NavyShooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- XMU Local .303
Interesting.
I, for one, am skeptical.
The company has done many useful and some good things over the years. The $399 M-305/M-14S, the $299 1911's, the hundreds of thousands of firearms imported and sold across the country have, undoubtedly, helped to grow our sport. The Ironclad guarantee was proven to work in my case with a NP-34 that I returned many years ago and got a replacement for.
However.
The bridges burned in the 'T2 - converted M1 Garand' fiasco, and the public derision delivered by Johnone to individuals who questioned him were...well...
The patently unsafe to fire Garand Conversions with welded and ground bolt lugs has left a very sour taste in the mouths of many of us in the community.
The very broad brush that has tarnished the MARSTAR name will take considerable effort on the part of the apparent new ownership to turn things around in my eyes, and I'm sure that of many others.
Based on the extant history, I have no intent to change my spending habits to include your business, and I suspect I am not alone in my mistrust.
NS
Useful links and quotes that may explain for those not familiar with some of the history:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1431884-T2-Garand-Part-1
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/445063-Italian-Garand
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=194774
"The gunsmith brags on his own website he built 120 rifles in 26 hours, (about 13
minutes per rifle)... then in an attempt to shift blame, (in a letter which was
recently posted to CGN), he claims that he in fact did not assemble them.
pictures of the assembly and his workspace from his site are listed below."
"…these are not Tipo 2 rifles. … there are certainly Tipo 2 modified
components (i.e. op rod, stocks) … civilian produced barrels… receivers are
Danish contract rifles. ….
With regards to the barrel. Zero government
markings (only civil CIL N laser engraved proofing) and highly questionable
geometry and manufacturing quality. In this example, the barrel was
under-indexed and incorrectly finished reamed on a lathe, resulting in an off
–axis, and heavily scored (on one side of the chamber) chamber. … The barrel
threads are cut not in line with bore axis resulting in a barrel, that when
matted to the receiver, has a .050” gap along the top where it doesn’t even
touch the receiver. The barrel has a definite droop that is visible to the naked
eye. I suspect the barrels were finish reamed as a group to save time during
assembly. I also suspect they finished them before realizing they were all
over-headspaced.
The bolt was modified in order to try to compensate for
the over headspace condition created by incorrect chamber finishing. By welding
the rear face of each lug and grinding the front face of each, the assembler
attempted to move the enire bolt forward in the action in order to bring it back
into spec. this explains why some bolts have also been ground around the forward
area (in order to fit inside of the chamber ring). A standard, unmodified bolt
would show excessive and dangerous over-headspace, however welded and modified
lugs could potentially be a grenade. On the example inspected, the RH lug was
also not ground in a matting angle to the receiver. It was rounded leading to a
condition whereby it would have at best, 15-20 locking surface. BTW, anything
below 80% was considered to be a reject by USGI standards. The new locking face
is of an unknown hardness and the steel is discoloured (extreme heat from
welding) in the forward area immediately adjacent to the lugs. The extractor is
similarly discoloured indicating it was left in the bolt when it was welded and
ground. This annealing also weakens the bolt lugs and could, over a relatively
few amount of rounds, allow the headspace to expand as the lugs are peened from
recoil (that is if they don’t shear off beforehand)."
I will note, I mostly suspect to have my account suspended or be banned for posting this information, however, your prospective customer base should be made aware of the history regarding your company's departure from this site, and all of this information is still in the public domain.
I, for one, am skeptical.
The company has done many useful and some good things over the years. The $399 M-305/M-14S, the $299 1911's, the hundreds of thousands of firearms imported and sold across the country have, undoubtedly, helped to grow our sport. The Ironclad guarantee was proven to work in my case with a NP-34 that I returned many years ago and got a replacement for.
However.
The bridges burned in the 'T2 - converted M1 Garand' fiasco, and the public derision delivered by Johnone to individuals who questioned him were...well...
The patently unsafe to fire Garand Conversions with welded and ground bolt lugs has left a very sour taste in the mouths of many of us in the community.
The very broad brush that has tarnished the MARSTAR name will take considerable effort on the part of the apparent new ownership to turn things around in my eyes, and I'm sure that of many others.
Based on the extant history, I have no intent to change my spending habits to include your business, and I suspect I am not alone in my mistrust.
NS
Useful links and quotes that may explain for those not familiar with some of the history:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1431884-T2-Garand-Part-1
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/445063-Italian-Garand
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=194774
"The gunsmith brags on his own website he built 120 rifles in 26 hours, (about 13
minutes per rifle)... then in an attempt to shift blame, (in a letter which was
recently posted to CGN), he claims that he in fact did not assemble them.
pictures of the assembly and his workspace from his site are listed below."
"…these are not Tipo 2 rifles. … there are certainly Tipo 2 modified
components (i.e. op rod, stocks) … civilian produced barrels… receivers are
Danish contract rifles. ….
With regards to the barrel. Zero government
markings (only civil CIL N laser engraved proofing) and highly questionable
geometry and manufacturing quality. In this example, the barrel was
under-indexed and incorrectly finished reamed on a lathe, resulting in an off
–axis, and heavily scored (on one side of the chamber) chamber. … The barrel
threads are cut not in line with bore axis resulting in a barrel, that when
matted to the receiver, has a .050” gap along the top where it doesn’t even
touch the receiver. The barrel has a definite droop that is visible to the naked
eye. I suspect the barrels were finish reamed as a group to save time during
assembly. I also suspect they finished them before realizing they were all
over-headspaced.
The bolt was modified in order to try to compensate for
the over headspace condition created by incorrect chamber finishing. By welding
the rear face of each lug and grinding the front face of each, the assembler
attempted to move the enire bolt forward in the action in order to bring it back
into spec. this explains why some bolts have also been ground around the forward
area (in order to fit inside of the chamber ring). A standard, unmodified bolt
would show excessive and dangerous over-headspace, however welded and modified
lugs could potentially be a grenade. On the example inspected, the RH lug was
also not ground in a matting angle to the receiver. It was rounded leading to a
condition whereby it would have at best, 15-20 locking surface. BTW, anything
below 80% was considered to be a reject by USGI standards. The new locking face
is of an unknown hardness and the steel is discoloured (extreme heat from
welding) in the forward area immediately adjacent to the lugs. The extractor is
similarly discoloured indicating it was left in the bolt when it was welded and
ground. This annealing also weakens the bolt lugs and could, over a relatively
few amount of rounds, allow the headspace to expand as the lugs are peened from
recoil (that is if they don’t shear off beforehand)."
I will note, I mostly suspect to have my account suspended or be banned for posting this information, however, your prospective customer base should be made aware of the history regarding your company's departure from this site, and all of this information is still in the public domain.
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