Match Cancellation Notice -- EOHC

[stormbringer]

9. Accept the fact that you are very likely not going to shoot the match, and if you do, it will be after a hard days work, and it will suck.

Ohhhh Stop.....

You are making the job sound to appealing.

People will be coming out of the woodwork to be MD!!

What ever will we do with so many matches to attend!! It will be anarchy!

 

[DrNick]

I spoke up in this thread in defense of those no-show volunteers because they were being unfairly blamed.

I have to make a distinction here. The people we are disappointed with are not the ones who have come out to help before.....It's the bunch that have NEVER come out to help but still claim EOHC as their home IPSC club. The reason this match was cancelled was twofold:

1. The existing corps of volunteers are burnt out and tired of doing all the f*cking work.

2. There are no new volunteers willing to come forward and help.

It's important that everyone understand me here: the people exist, there are more than two dozen IPSC members at EOHC but it's the same old story....the same six or so people that keep having to do it all.

The result? IPSC is dying at EOHC and I, for one, am prepared to let it do just that. Want an IPSC match? Hop in your car...that's what everyone seems to do anyway......

Man if I had seen this coming, I would not have pushed so hard for those four new ranges.

 

[Andy]

Well quite a thread. You provoke people to ##### and you're going to get it. So other than that, what has been accomplished?

I don't imagine that we'll now have people lining up to:

- join EOHC;
- travel to EOHC;
- volunteer for IPSC matches; or
- try out IPSC.

I'm a member at EOHC, but spend the vast majority of my time at the Rifle Range where I shoot and volunteer, although I also show up for at least two general clean-up days for the pistol ranges. I've watched an IPSC event, and thought about trying it, but can't imagine ever doing actually doing it. I was both amused and turned off by the badge-laden participants and their serious game-faces.

In any pastime, the moment you bring monetary or "honourary" rewards into it, it changes, and in my opinion, usually for the worse. When people must win, fun and good sportsmanship take leave.

Contrast that to the twice-yearly Milshoots at EOHC and SFFGC that I both attend and help organize. Completely different atmosphere. It's fun. No-one has ever complained. We will not organize any more than we already are. Why would we?

 

[Quigley]

Contrast that to the twice-yearly Milshoots at EOHC and SFFGC that I both attend and help organize. Completely different atmosphere. It's fun. No-one has ever complained. We will not organize any more than we already are. Why would we?

Andy...no disrespect intended...but you're comparing apples...to a grove of orange trees...

You can't expect the same structure between a bunch of buddies getting together for an afternoon of shooting, to an organization of over 1,000 members (that's just Ontario)...with a few hundred matches in the schedule (although these days your match does sound pretty appealing)

IPSC is not perfect...but neither is any large Internatioanl Organization...

I'm at a loss to figure out what's going on at EOHC other than to say this is not an issue unique to this club...but I'm also not quite ready to throw in the towel when it comes to EOHC and IPSC...

Looks like we all have a winter project

Regards

Craig Stoklosar
President - IPSC Ontario.

 

[MOBILE 1]

John we only did it because you look like you were dieing in the heat , or we are just mean. Na the first one .


I keep hearing how people are put off by ipsc shooters , there attitude how they could never try the sport because of this. This mite the case for some but not for me. I have been shooting ipsc for a short time (a little over three years ) I have met thousands of people from all over north America , and out of those thousands of people maybe a hand full of #######s. But yet it is these hand full of people that give ipsc a bad name. May be it is time for the people that do care about this sport to do some thing about it. If you like treating people like #### , screw other s over for fun and your own entertainment , like to bully people around or you just an ass hole to others . Why not just get the #### out of the sport. It is the volunteers that make this sport thrive not you #### sticks that ruin it for every body else and you know who you are.

 

[Andy]

Not quite - it's more like comparing House League Hockey to "Competitive" Hockey (not that House League isn't competitive). The same game, but different attitudes. Talk to a few hockey parents and you will understand.

The handgun shooting sports would of course benefit from alternatives to IPSC. We have IPDA (of which I am completely ignorant), but that's about it. We've added a Military Handgun segment to our Regional Milshoots and will find out how that goes tomorrow at the SFFGC, and a report will follow.

For the record, I will press on with the handgun segments of the Milshoot, but will also put together a proposal for a "fun" (not that IPSC isn't fun) EOHC handgun shoot for the near future for a time when the weather will be kind to us (read Spring). No pre-quals, a minimum of set-up, no prizes other than bragging rights.

Andy...no disrespect intended...but you're comparing apples...to a grove of orange trees...

Regards

Craig Stoklosar
President - IPSC Ontario.

 

[Quigley]

but will also put together a proposal for a "fun" (not that IPSC isn't fun) EOHC handgun shoot for the near future for a time when the weather will be kind to us (read Spring). No pre-quals, a minimum of set-up, no prizes other than bragging rights.

They had one a bout 4 years ago...well attended...it's a great idea.

 

[tritium]

I'm a member of EOHC as well and I have seen first hand the damage that is being caused to the club by the in-fighting (? - if it even amounts to that) that is going on there. I'm also very involved in IPSC and I'm currently attempting to become a Black Badge instructor.

Here's the situation for those who haven't figured it out yet (I hate all this beating around the bush):

There were some hurt feelings that occurred during the Spring Level 3 and I think one of the key problems was calling it Russelmania. It is not one man's match, it is a club match. The MD (he'll read this too!)) took ownership of the match and called it his own and took alot of personal pride in it. It was a good match but not just due to his efforts or the efforts of any one shooter. The MD came up with many of the concepts for the stages but there were also many who helped out, set up and made the match a collective success. It has not been the only successful match at EOHC this year but it was that ONE match that has caused all of this crap.

Some of those involved felt that they were being ordered around (and they were), others felt they were being used (and they were but that's the nature of being a volunteer), others were offended by the MD's attitude and he was offended by some of them too. I spoke to the MD directly about this shortly after the match and explained the difference between managers, leaders and situational leadership. It may have worked but that still remains to be seen and this may have been the opportunity for that.

So, this, and a lack of direction from the EOHC Board of Directors, appears to be the reason why IPSC has cooled there. The club requires a strong IPSC rep who will lead, direct, manage and win hearts and minds.

While I respect all of those involved, I do not condone the attitude that is being portrayed to the shooters there. I also do not support the decision to cancel the Oct match but, I do know what a diffiuclt time it is to obtain volunteers and workers who can spare the time to set up. AND..no, I wasn't going to help set up (but not due to some discord with the club!).

So, let's let the situation rest, the match is cancelled and the only people to blame are those who couldn't help. Next year is another season and let's take this winter to fix it and make next season better.

As Quigley said, the problems at EOHC are not unique to that club but, for some odd reason, the EOHC laundry gets hung out on here alot and it shouldn't be.

 

[Zortag]

... for some odd reason, the EOHC laundry gets hung out on here alot and it shouldn't be.

Although I get the feeling I should keep my trap shut, it is not something I have ever been good at, and I am not likely to start now.

As a new EOHC member doing his Black Badge this weekend, I couldn't agree more with tritium, whatever problems there are/were, they likely shouldn't be broadcast on a public forum for everyone to see.

who knows how many people have been turned off IPSC because of #### like this? It sure isn't filling me with joy that I'm trying to get involved in a sport that's as likely to #### on me as it is to be rewarding.

That being said, I still think it will be fun and rewarding, and I'm looking forward to it. I worry about people who sign up here, don't have a PAL, don't know what IPSC is. They come on here, read a thread like this one, and say "#### it, I'll take up competitive quilting instead"

that's my .22

 

[tritium]

Zprtag,

Great points mate!

Don't worry, IPSC is a very addictive substance. Once you get bit, you love it!!!!! You'll enjoy yourself.

Trit

 

[Bartledan]

For the record, EOHC is a great club, with a terrific executive.

Hey Trit: get the #### out here, man! Jesus, why do I have to keep telling you.

 

[DrNick]

The reason this match was cancelled was twofold:

1. The existing corps of volunteers are burnt out and tired of doing all the f*cking work.

2. There are no new volunteers willing to come forward and help.

Pardon me for repeating myself.........I thought the reasons were pretty obvious.....


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[omen]

I'm also very involved in IPSC and I'm currently attempting to become a Black Badge instructor.

I guess we know where all the new HH girls will get their IPSC training then, eh?

 

[USP]

edit cause I cant read worth ####.

 

[hungrybeagle]

For the record, EOHC is a great club, with a terrific executive.

Hey Trit: get the f**k out here, man! Jesus, why do I have to keep telling you.

Yes. There a TONNE of people out who here who don't know anything about "The Mudmen".

And we have bikini girls out on Thursdays.

 

[DrNick]

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quote Dr Nick


Lmao did I read this right? Because some chose to complain you are now acting like a champion and have gotten rid of IPSC at your club? If I have read this right and this is the case, it would be better for the sport if somebody else did your job.

To cancel a clubs section because there are a few who disagree with how things are run, smacks of immaturity, petulance and pettiness.

I will say that over the few hundred IPSC Ontario people that I have met, Ive yet to meet anybody who hasnt been overall pretty nice and friendly.

USP:

You got it all wrong man......I support IPSC in a huge way. I am one of the few people who have helped out every day for every match held at EOHC this year. Under normal circumstances I'd resent your remark but this thread appears to be fraught with confusion.

I like to consider myself 'nice and friendly' as do most of the people I have met in this sport.

I am deeply disappointed in those people who have not come out to help...that's all. I tired of championing the sport and always being one of the guys killing themselves building and running matches....

It's time for someone else to 'take up the torch'........oh and for the record, EOHC is looking for a new IPSC rep Any takers?

 

[Bartledan]

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quote Dr Nick


Lmao did I read this right? Because some chose to complain you are now acting like a champion and have gotten rid of IPSC at your club? If I have read this right and this is the case, it would be better for the sport if somebody else did your job.

To cancel a clubs section because there are a few who disagree with how things are run, smacks of immaturity, petulance and pettiness.

I will say that over the few hundred IPSC Ontario people that I have met, Ive yet to meet anybody who hasnt been overall pretty nice and friendly.

Yeah, you've got it totally wrong. Nick is one of the "good guys" here....

(and everywhere)

 

[Clammy]

Hmmm... ok, so as I read this, IPSC is no more at EOHC as of right now?

I did volunteer to help with the setup for the Oct. 7 match that got cancelled, but until I got an email from EOHC that had a link to the thread posted here with the title "Looking for your next IPSC match?" (or words to that effect), I didn't even know about the need for volunteers. Maybe there needs to be better communication in the future?

Anyway, it's sad that IPSC is done at EOHC. For me that will mean the end of IPSC competition, since I just don't have the time to travel all over the place for matches. I was really looking forward to shooting a couple a year.

Bummer.

Clammy

 

[kent23]

Clammy, IPSC is not done this year in Ottawa. The RA Centre will have matches almost every month (6 between October and April). The first one is on October 28th.

Google ra centre gun for the website, and there is a PDF for the club calendar.

Saturdays is IPSC practice: 2pm-11pm and there are often 20-30 shooters practicing on Saturdays. Upstairs to the pub afterwards. What more could you ask for when it is -20 degrees outside??

See you there!

 

[Fremen]

Like Kent said. Although the season if done for EOHC the RA seasons really only begining.

And I know from the past shooting when its 20 below and colder sucks, even more so when things start to freeze and no longer work. Like your hands.